Pit bulls - The Breed of Peace

Tuco · May 5, 2015

Let me be clear, I'm not really separating pitbulls from rots, mastiffs, german shepherd etc. My argument is that you should have a good reason to have an animal that can fuck you up anytime it wants in your house. If you think it's a guard dog and will need to and be able to defend you, fine, whatever. But don't pretend that guard dog is safer than a weaker dog.

Also I'm not using this as any kind of argument for anything, but I love this pitbull story:

Famm · May 5, 2015

lanx_sl said:
actually there are many stories of "cute dogs" those small shits, doing dmg to babies.
Jack Russell terrier killed after infant attack | WTVR.com

Three Babies, Less Than Two Weeks, Mauled by Family Dogs! Update Now 4 May 9, 2012 | Responsible Dog ~ Its all about dogs

Jack Russell Terrier Killed By Owner After it Bites Off Infants Ear

Pet Jack Russell that killed eight-day-old boy 'had escaped through stair gate to attack child' | Daily Mail Online

Baby mauled to death by Jack Russell and bull terrier - Home News - UK - The Independent

Any dog can do dmg, they're fucking hunters, just b/c they look like this

doesn't mean it couldn't wreck a newborn. (i'd never trust any animal near a baby, even my dog that i'd trust w/ my life)

Why did you post five Jack Russell stories then a picture of a Bichon Frise? Jacks are cool dogs but they are rambunctious and should have strong training. Another breed temperament example!

Their high energy and drive make these dogs ideally suited to a number of different dog sports such as flyball or agility.[52] Obedience classes are also recommended to potential owners,[49] as Jack Russells can be stubborn at times and aggressive towards other animals and humans if not properly socialized.[8] Despite their small size, these dogs are not recommended for the condominium or apartment dweller unless the owner is ready to take on the daunting task of providing the dog with the necessary amount of exercise and stimulation. They have a tremendous amount of energy for their size,[51] a fact which can sometimes lead to trouble involving larger animals.[53] They may seem never to tire and will still be energetic after their owner has called it a day. While socialised members of the breed are friendly towards children, they will not tolerate abuse even if it is unintentional.[15]

Gavinmad · May 5, 2015

lanx_sl said:
actually there are many stories of "cute dogs" those small shits, doing dmg to babies.
Jack Russell terrier killed after infant attack | WTVR.com

Three Babies, Less Than Two Weeks, Mauled by Family Dogs! Update Now 4 May 9, 2012 | Responsible Dog ~ Its all about dogs

Jack Russell Terrier Killed By Owner After it Bites Off Infants Ear

Pet Jack Russell that killed eight-day-old boy 'had escaped through stair gate to attack child' | Daily Mail Online

Baby mauled to death by Jack Russell and bull terrier - Home News - UK - The Independent

Any dog can do dmg, they're fucking hunters, just b/c they look like this

doesn't mean it couldn't wreck a newborn. (i'd never trust any animal near a baby, even my dog that i'd trust w/ my life)

Note that every one of those articles is talking about a terrier. The whole grouping of dogs is aggressive. Yes, I concede that Amstaffs and Amstaff mutts are more dangerous than small terriers, but they're probably less aggressive. Yorkies and Jack Russells in particular are mean little fucks.

Lanx · May 5, 2015

Pit Bull ? Bite force 235
German Shepard ? Bite force 238
American bull dog ? Bite force 305
African wild dog ? Bite force 317
Rottweiler ? Bite force 328
Gray wolf ? Bite force 406
Mastiff ? Bite force 556
Kangal ? Bite force 700+

all these dogs can wreck your shit if "trained to do so", we've all seen those videos of shepard police attack dogs, they will bite, shake and hold, they will NOT let go.

usually 99% of problem pitbulls are the ones that were bred/trained to be dog fighters, even tho they put down many of them, "some" are deemed to be rescueable, fuck that, as sad as it sounds, put down these pitbulls too, once you've been trained to be a dog fighter, there's no guarantee they won't "snap".

why are pitbulls usually chosen? not b/c they have the most powerful, damaging bite (as shown) but b/c they're so willing to go above and beyond to appease their owner, it's sad really that they will go to hell and beyond to please their owner, only to be rewarded with years of torment.

Famm_sl said:
Why did you post five Jack Russell stories then a picture of a Bichon Frise? Jacks are cool dogs but they are rambunctious and should have strong training. Another breed temperament example!

i'm probably gonna have to own one of these shits in the futre =(

Tuco · May 5, 2015

lanx_sl said:
actually there are many stories of "cute dogs" those small shits, doing dmg to babies.
Jack Russell terrier killed after infant attack | WTVR.com

Three Babies, Less Than Two Weeks, Mauled by Family Dogs! Update Now 4 May 9, 2012 | Responsible Dog ~ Its all about dogs

Jack Russell Terrier Killed By Owner After it Bites Off Infants Ear

Pet Jack Russell that killed eight-day-old boy 'had escaped through stair gate to attack child' | Daily Mail Online

Baby mauled to death by Jack Russell and bull terrier - Home News - UK - The Independent

Any dog can do dmg, they're fucking hunters, just b/c they look like this

doesn't mean it couldn't wreck a newborn. (i'd never trust any animal near a baby, even my dog that i'd trust w/ my life)

I agree with everything you posted, but disagree with your inference that it changes the fact that most fatalities occur from large breed dogs. I think this is partially because you don't let animals near a baby, but have no problem having your children be unsupervised with your dog.

Note that there is one sample of a Jack Russel Terrier killing a 6 week old baby, and endless examples of pits, mastiffs, rots etc killing people of all ages.
Fatal dog attacks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cad · May 5, 2015

I think if owners were held criminally liable for the actions of their dogs, dog ownership would drop off sharply.

And there'd probably be less shit in my yard.

Win/win

Famm · May 5, 2015

Should parents go to jail if their teenager kills someone drunk driving too? This "hold people criminally responsible for accidental animal attacks" logic is fucking looney tunes.

Cad · May 5, 2015

Famm_sl said:
Should parents go to jail if their teenager kills someone drunk driving too? This "hold people criminally responsible for accidental animal attacks" logic is fucking looney tunes.

Having children is not optional if we want to survive as a species. Having dogs is optional.

Lanx · May 5, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Having children is not optional if we want to survive as a species. Having dogs is optional.

Also, dog ownership, is that, ownership, property as opposed to an actual person with free will.

the correct correlation should be, dog is equal to loaded gun on the nightstand.

Tuco · May 5, 2015

Famm_sl said:
Should parents go to jail if their teenager kills someone drunk driving too? This "hold people criminally responsible for accidental animal attacks" logic is fucking looney tunes.

Only if their child has the same mental capacity of a dog, maybe.

Gavinmad · May 5, 2015

Comparing animals to gun ownership is a lot more accurate than comparing them to your children.

Let's say I own a Lion, and for the sake of argument it's legal to own big cats wherever it is that I live. The animal, due to my negligence, gets out and mauls people. How am I not criminally responsible for the actions of that Lion, and how is the Lion any different from a dog in this argument?

Lanx · May 5, 2015

Tuco_sl said:
I agree with everything you posted, but disagree with your inference that it changes the fact that most fatalities occur from large breed dogs. I think this is partially because you don't let animals near a baby, but have no problem having your children be unsupervised with your dog.

Note that there is one sample of a Jack Russel Terrier killing a 6 week old baby, and endless examples of pits, mastiffs, rots etc killing people of all ages.
Fatal dog attacks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh no, i wasn't separating one from the other, small vs. big, i'm saying ALL dogs can be dangerous. And yes there are degrees of dmg one dog can do vs another.

Sort of like a midget couldn't really do much to any normal sized man in a fight. but maybe a sucker dick punch, or later on at night crawling through the doggie door and getting you while you're asleep, midgets can be scary too, don't forget chucky movies!

Cad · May 5, 2015

Also I know you dog owners love your dogs and treat them as part of the family and think of them as little slightly retarded people. But you need to remember that to everyone else, your dog is an ANIMAL. No different than the animals we slaughter by the millions so we can have tasty bacon and hamburgers.

Your dog is not a person. Dogs do not have human rights. Comparing your dog to our children is not going to work out well for you.

Big Phoenix · May 5, 2015

Famm_sl said:
Should parents go to jail if their teenager kills someone drunk driving too? This "hold people criminally responsible for accidental animal attacks" logic is fucking looney tunes.

What kind of strawman is that? Dogs =/= people.

Oh no, i wasn't separating one from the other, small vs. big, i'm saying ALL dogs can be dangerous. And yes there are degrees of dmg one dog can do vs another.

Yeah of course they can. Reality is though no one fears great danes or golden retrievers, and for good reason. Dogs are not inanimate objects, they have minds of their own and temperaments that are bred into them.

ZyyzYzzy · May 5, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Also I know you dog owners love your dogs and treat them as part of the family and think of them as little slightly retarded people. But you need to remember that to everyone else, your dog is an ANIMAL. No different than the animals we slaughter by the millions so we can have tasty bacon and hamburgers.

Your dog is not a person. Dogs do not have human rights. Comparing your dog to our children is not going to work out well for you.

Dog bacon is the solution?

khalid · May 5, 2015

Cad_sl said:
Your dog is not a person. Dogs do not have human rights.

You are right, dogs do not have human rights. However, I happen to believe that dogs do have rights (and animals in general) and humans should have a right to own them.

So when you act like they shouldn't have any value attached to them, that they are just like any other animal, then that isn't going to work out well for you either.

ZyyzYzzy · May 5, 2015

khalid_sl said:
You are right, dogs do not have human rights. However, I happen to believe that dogs do have rights (and animals in general) and humans should have a right to own them.

So when you act like they shouldn't have any value attached to them, that they are just like any other animal, then that isn't going to work out well for you either.

Human and animal rights are not comparable, so when an animal attacks a human the animal loses all "value"

khalid · May 5, 2015

This argument never gets anywhere and just always gets polarized, but from my perspective...

Dogs are valuable companions and I recommend every family have them. Not just for protection, but for companionship. Depression is a very common human affliction and dogs help so much with that.

Yes, they come with a risk. So does fucking everything. Just like we shouldn't outlaw pools or get rid of swingsets, the benefits that dogs bring to a society I believe far outweigh the damage that some deranged dogs and their owners bring on others.

iannis · May 5, 2015

My father thinks that animals are children.

That's kind hearted, but I'm sorry. I actually am sorry. If I could push a button and make them toddlers I probably would. But they're not. They're just not. They're animals. They are not responsible for themselves in the fashion that humans are, and the care of one includes assuming the responsibility of their actions. As well as feeding it and grooming it and socializing with it and learning the face it makes when it farts.

They are just lesser. This is why you pick up their turds. They don't pick up yours.

There's good news in there though. All dogs DO go to heaven.

Cad · May 5, 2015

khalid_sl said:
You are right, dogs do not have human rights. However, I happen to believe that dogs do have rights (and animals in general) and humans should have a right to own them.

So when you act like they shouldn't have any value attached to them, that they are just like any other animal, then that isn't going to work out well for you either.

The only value they have is the love you have for them. The fact that we respect each other as people is the only reason dogs get as much leeway to maul our children as they currently get. As children get more and more valuable because birth rates are dropping, tolerance to being mauled by people's "lovable pets" is dropping.

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