Pokemans and how to catch them with your phone - friend codes in OP
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tyen
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Borzak
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One of the reasons Austin got rid of Uber and Lift was they wanted a cut of the money they make from location information of who goes where to buy/do what. After they couldn't get a cut the hard press was on to get rid of them for "safety" reasons. Look at the database uber must have by now.
Semi related saw an article today but only glanced at it, Pokemon is racist because there are moke pokemon stops in areas that are well off/white than in black/hispanic areas. They compared Manhatten to Queens and Bronx which seemed really odd.
Semi related saw an article today but only glanced at it, Pokemon is racist because there are moke pokemon stops in areas that are well off/white than in black/hispanic areas. They compared Manhatten to Queens and Bronx which seemed really odd.
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PokemonGo is a game w/ GPS where Niantic can have their users go wherever they want.
No one has ever had that power in a game or even a website.
The closest we got is "Hey, Yelp said this place was cool, lets go there." Now people are being led by pixels to a destination for pixel acquisition while their location data will be sold.
They are straight up going to be charging retailers for them to get people to go to their locations, and then charge them more everytime they spin the stupid pokestop or catch a pokeman.
Niantic is going to have Google levels of power in 5 years if they don't kill off their userbase with this stupid tracking problem. It's just a simple bard/ranger/druid track to a mob. easy right?
Paranoia
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we have without a doubt a clear winner! /argumentgrafs
even tho i have no idea what this graph means
Ukerric
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Niantic uses Google's "use" maps. They spawn pokemon according to how many people use their phones while stationary (to avoid having extra densities on commuter roads where there are lots of people with phones, but they're not actively using them and they're moving).
Did you think they individually tried to find where parks were, and type them in by hand? Nope. They just use "this is a spot where people like to stop walking and use their phones", and it gives them the best density.
That data on what people are doing already exists. Niantic isn't gathering it, it's already gathered and they've just purchased it (which is easy, Google has shares in Niantic I think).
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There are two different types of spawn locations. Around a pokestop, and "random."
Pokestops are at every single landmark type. For a laymans example, parks.
Their database existed pre-pokemon into ingress. The one I am referencing with pokeman spawns are the pokestop spawns, not the random overland spawns.
The data that people are doing doesn't already exist. All this new GPS data from pokeman players have not existed before and PHD scientists are in demand at Niantic at the moment via job recruitment.
Pokestops are at every single landmark type. For a laymans example, parks.
Their database existed pre-pokemon into ingress. The one I am referencing with pokeman spawns are the pokestop spawns, not the random overland spawns.
The data that people are doing doesn't already exist. All this new GPS data from pokeman players have not existed before and PHD scientists are in demand at Niantic at the moment via job recruitment.
Fifey
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And let's say Niantic decided to test the waters and start adding Pokestops somewhere else and now they've got the data points measured on how effective it is as a form of advertising.
Shit, there is already a level of subversiveness with Facebook. I worked at a place then facebook added the guy on my suggested friends list like a week later and me and the guy have absolutely no common friends/anything. I'm a 30 year old white guy from Arizona and he's a 50 Vietnamese immigrant, no way for them to link us except for GPS tracking.
Tuco
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I don't believe this to be true. Unless it's changed I believe that all pokemon spawn either because of lures, incense or static spawn locations. The static spawns correspond to XM Pools.
I hope they allow their database to be used or licensed in some way for future MMARGs. The pokemon game they've built is good, not great, and I can see much better games in the future, I just hope that everyone doesn't have to spin up their own global population database.
Tyen is completely in the right here, the amount of evil these companies could do with this information is staggering. Our locations,trends,routines are all already mapped out but Pokemon Go has the unique advantage of being able to influence new trends.
They already have shown they can turn on and off "hotspots" we had people coming from hours away to a park near my house because it spawned Charmander. When they moved it 45 minutes away to FDR park in Philly everyone followed. This was a test in my mind to see if they can influence migrational patterns..
This is all obviously theoretical but they could manipulate traffic patterns for mundane things like McDonald's promotions or maybe more nefarious things.
Right now small businesses are the ones reaping the benefits of Pokemon Go. Places at are smaller and more agile can adapt to these changes faster than a chain. But what happens when McDonald's buys up all the Pokestops in town and makes sure all other food places can't get one. No law on the books could stop that and it would just be another death knell for small business.
On a more conspiracy level, you could use this as a tool for gentrification(add rare Pokemon/items to lots for sale in bad neighborhoods) imagine if they turned the DNC into a rare Pokemon nest the mix of protestors and regular Pokemon players would probably cause the whole thing to break down because you can just label them as Pokemon players or protestors depending on your spin.
They already have shown they can turn on and off "hotspots" we had people coming from hours away to a park near my house because it spawned Charmander. When they moved it 45 minutes away to FDR park in Philly everyone followed. This was a test in my mind to see if they can influence migrational patterns..
This is all obviously theoretical but they could manipulate traffic patterns for mundane things like McDonald's promotions or maybe more nefarious things.
Right now small businesses are the ones reaping the benefits of Pokemon Go. Places at are smaller and more agile can adapt to these changes faster than a chain. But what happens when McDonald's buys up all the Pokestops in town and makes sure all other food places can't get one. No law on the books could stop that and it would just be another death knell for small business.
On a more conspiracy level, you could use this as a tool for gentrification(add rare Pokemon/items to lots for sale in bad neighborhoods) imagine if they turned the DNC into a rare Pokemon nest the mix of protestors and regular Pokemon players would probably cause the whole thing to break down because you can just label them as Pokemon players or protestors depending on your spin.
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The lack of logical thinking here is fucking retarded.
You know what would have happened if they had moved the Draconian Deflector from UBRS to LBRS back during vanilla WoW? I would have farmed LBRS instead of UBRS. The idea that people following nests around is Niantic 'influencing migrational patterns' has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read.
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You know what would have happened if they had moved the Draconian Deflector from UBRS to LBRS back during vanilla WoW? I would have farmed LBRS instead of UBRS. The idea that people following nests around is Niantic 'influencing migrational patterns' has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read.
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Well they kind of are. Especially when they fully roll out the new tracking system. You bet your ass they can influence the migration patterns of poky hunters.
My only gripe in this whole conversation is other than maybe trying to monetize this or gather data for another game of this type, I dont see this "data" being of any use. Maybe another would be to sell it to some PhD to gather more data for coming up with new swarm algorithms. But even that is a stretch.
The biggest addition to this game type happened already with Ingress. when they had users plug coordinates and take pictures of landmarks to populate the system. And they had them do it for free too. Now they have an extensive database of landmarks, historical sites, churches, shit like that to use in other games or sell to other game makers trying to come up with more Virtual overlay games like this.
And if they do in fact monetize this to, say, get people to go to Mcdonalds, I think there will be a big backlash from users.