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9x balance team can easily beat most normal content (everything except last 2 stages of regulars) and can clear all technical content (not including conditionals). 9x balance is also is stronger than 9x healer team as it has the hp attk and rcv but requires more difficult to acquire subs... It will still have trouble on descends/biweekly dungeons due to lack of HP more than anything else.

9x healer team is entirely farmable, but lacks HP to be easy mode for most content.

Both are stronger than 9x isis/zues teams because they do not have special requirements on activating their 9x.
 

Df~_sl

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Thoughts on Chinese Gods...

Still a tossup of where to rank these gods... the Red Blue Green Dark gods are all similar... 3.5X dmg when matching 3 specific colors... active ability of changing the entire board to those three colors...

If you are trying to value these gods... you should have 99% uptime of Isis. But would that give you 99% uptime on 3 specific colors rather than 3 of 5 colors?

You need 9 specific gems out of 30. You have a 1/6 chance of getting the gem you need for each gem you match. If you only match 9 gems, you will run out of required colors very quickly. If you are matching 6 combos per turn... you should be cycling through enough gems to always have the gems you need.

My math skills aren't good enough to calculate the probability
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but if someone has a good online resource, its one of the things I would love to improve on.

In any case, math would show its tougher to match 3 specific colors than it would be to match any 3 colors... If you are matching 6combos per turn, I wouldnt worry.

The active ability is MUCH stronger than Isis.

12.25X + 2x huge orb change vs 9x + 2x quick heal... yeah. Chinese R B G Dark beats Isis. As to which color... depends on the rest of your subs, dark having a slightly higher weighted stat value and no weakness to other colors...

Now... the final Chinese God. Kirin (Light) has a mini gravity active skill (20% dmg) and a 5x multiplier when matching Red Blue Green Light and the highest weighted stat value and no weakness to other colors...

Comparing Kirin to Horus and Ra seems like a pretty good idea.


I was bored waiting for stam to recharge so I did some testing on uptimes...
I ran 5 heartbreakers at max skill with titan as my leader and either Ra or Horus as Helper. I started counting after all orb change skills were ready. And restarted endless corridor if I died. I did 100 runs with Ra and Horus using heartbreakers and then another 100 rounds with Horus and Ra not using heartbreakers.

My 100 round test run with Horus with heartbreakers had 97 activations and 7.1 average combos per turn.
My 100 round test run with Ra with heartbreakers had 71 activations and 6.3 average combos per turn.
My 100 round test run with Horus without heartbreakers had 91 activations and 7.3 average combos per turn.
My 100 round test run with Ra without heartbreakers had 56 activations and 6.6 average combos per turn.

I observed that when I was using Ra, I was more focused on making sure to match 5 colors and therefore my combos per turn dropped... using heartbreakers also seemed to lower my combos...

In any case.. I would say that Kirin's uptime should be slightly lower than that of Horus but higher than that of Ra's. I do not have the god and I dont feel like keeping track of all the orbs over and over again for 100 rounds, but I would feel confident saying my Kirin's uptime would be 70% without heartbreakers and 75% with.

The active skill is FAR superior to both Horus and Ra with a few situations excluded.

For farming, I would not replace Horus for Kirin.

For descends and tougher technical dungeons... Goemon would be stronger, but preemptive attacks make his setup much less viable. Is the uptime difference of 25xKirin vs 36xRa enough to beat out the extra damage? For the current content, sure.

Kirin Leader Conclusion: Better than Ra or Horus for Descends, worse than Horus on farming. Situationally better than Goemon (if no preemptive attacks, Goemon is better due to burst).

As a sub... Kirin is a lackluster sub, but brings a mini gravity to Light teams if you dont have a Zues...



Chances to activate... based on 1,000,000 board refreshes... not sure on what method was used to calculate this.. but in any case... This is using 30 new orbs... with 6combos you would only be getting 18 orb new orbs... but my numbers seem to be in line with the reduced rate...


Isis: 999567 (100%)
Horus: 964708 (96%)
1-color party: 915095 (92%)
Chinese gods?: 756294 (76%)
Kirin?: 682244 (68%)
Ra : 611886 (61%)

(source:http://yuuoku.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-780.html)
 

Ishad

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Hopefully the Chinese gods are delayed and we get angels/demons next. I'm avoiding the Chinese gods like the plague as I already have a Horus and ra.
 

Intrinsic

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2 for about 10 over yesterday, spent STA this morning going through Junos Island, but back to Flaming Sword this afternoon. Same plan as DF, although I may stop at 20 in the interest of my sanity.

Been running my Horus team so much now, feel bad about Mono green and dark, am thinking about dumping my two +25 bubbles on him. If one of my friends has their Rose Valk up I play with the 9x healer also, but I am finding it way to light dependent and hp low. Having two light leaders, a Light Venus, Light Ceres, King Shynee, and Siren/Echidna is lacking somewhere. Almost want to replace the Echidna or Siren with something not even of a healer subtype, maybe something to feed light (like Verche).
 

Ishad

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Speaking of horus I'm trying to figure out the best plan for long term subs. I have no hades, viper, or susano. Trying to add all three seems unlikely without buying lots of stones.

I could fill the rest of the subs with heart breakers but not a ton of utility there.

The third option would be to round the team out with zeus, red giant gigas, mechwarrior asgard, and hera-is. Team would have a good deal of damage, really high HP, decent utility but low rcv.

Are there any other better options out there?
 

Df~_sl

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Horus team...
Highlander Busty Evo Heartbreaker (Green Dark) (decent all around stats)
Hera-Is Gravity (Blue Dark) (nice HP and recovery)
Zues Gravity (light) (nice all around stats)


That covers all your color activations... while still leaving you with stats RCV, 2x Gravity... and another sub to use as you see fit... maybe Echidna or another utility slot.

Why you feel like you need a hades when you already have the gravity and stats from Hera-Is... but you could always add a second hera-is... yum!
 

Ishad

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Well right now I have neither a Zeus or a hera-is. Just trying to plan out the best way to spend my accumulated stones (other than rolling for a lucifer or asaroth)
 

Intrinsic

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I've been using this as my Horus team:

P&DX Simulator - Horus Team. Creatures are about their actual level +/- 2, and I didn't bother adding the +eggs, it is just an example. It is gravity less, but the stats overall are pretty decent. The Duke Vamp slot I use more as a swing / utility if I want to add Gravity or delay to it. My combo average is much lower than Df~ so I'm not refreshing near as much of the board each round, so I end up relying on the heart breakers more so (or delay to get additional hearts to even show up). Plus the idea of stalling for 30 turns with the team to activate Gravity just freaks me out.
 

Ao-

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got 2 in 9 runs so far (one was in intermediate)... though I didn't get any divine masks in the dungeons until this morning... which is odd.

As I post this I got another in my 11th run... and it's got a +ATK. Not even sure I want to feed that for a skillup...
 

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This just makes me want a double SoD even more.

Also quad resist: BD Neptune and Toytops?
 

Korrupt

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Im trying to level my neptune up but hitting 99 isnt a joke, you guys who have multiple double color leaders are animals.
 

Df~_sl

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4million XP is... a PITA...

4million light xp is... even more so.

4million light xp for an amaterasu thats not useful in modern content...
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The Noel Dragon is 1.5M xp to the same color... pretty nice boost... specially if you get a GREAT! fusion....