Listen, ok, you wanted fucking concrete science, not all science is groundbreaking, many important discoveries have come about by challenging commonly held assumptions. It's not quite Freakonomics, but it is still pretty entertaining and the science is solid.
Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge
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Shockingly, some portion of the men tested for paternity at a clinic return negative results? Mind. Blown.
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It's almost like you didn't think anyone would read it.
"MISCONCEPTIONS IN
PARENTAGE TESTING
It is important to understand the significance of the exclusion rate, especially since
the statistic has been misinterpreted in the past. For example, several organizations
have used the exclusion rate to suggest improperly that 30% of men are misled into
believing they are biological fathers of children. This suggestion is incorrect. The
exclusion rate includes a number of factors.One is that the men are alleged to be
fathers. This is important as a womanmay allege several men as possible fathers
because she was sexually active with these individuals. These are not men who
were misled into believingthey were fathers and then later discovered they are not.
The testing merely sorts out which man is the biological father so presumably that
man can assume his parental role. Another factor is that sometimes men are
accused and tested because a man who is not excluded is alleging that the mother
had multiple sexual partners aspart of his defense. Sometimes a man is required to
be tested because of a legal presumption, that is, when the mother properly names
the correct father but because she is (was) married to someone else, there is a legal
presumption that the husband is the father. The husband is then tested to rebut the
legal presumption, not because he was misled into believing he is the biological
father of the child"
And ya, it's a paternity clinic where people go to settle a dispute about who the father is. Of course the numbers are hugely inflated. It would be like going to a redpillconvention and concluding that 80% of the population are dead eyed sociopaths
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Listen, the 30% fact at that clinic is correct... all it's saying that SOME of the men know they are not the fathers, but because A) The woman is a whore and couldn't figure out who the father is, or B) The law is retarded and assumes a husband is the father of the baby no matter what... doesn't mean the 30% figure is wrong... just that it ONLY means that 30% of the time, YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER - as maury would say. Sure, that's not quite cuckolding, but that's only because these particular men were smart enough to figure it out and get tested. Many men, including some of the people refuting the redpillin this very thread, because they are married to unicorns, would never even consider the possibility that their wives could have ever cheated. So that's where the 10% "actual" figure comes from.
And again, the 10% number doesn't take into account single mothers fucking the bad boy alpha for genetics in her early 20s, and then marrying a beta male provider 26-30, because that's literally 75% of the women on okcupid. The number would shoot up far past 10% if you took female hypergamy into account.
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Try reading my post again and figure out what the 30% means. If a woman has sex with 5 guys and wants to know what guy it was, they all get tested. That doesn't mean 80% of them thought they were dads. This number literally means nothing to whatever shitty point you're trying to make
Also, your 10% number isn't even fucking right.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7881652.stm
http://arrow.monash.edu.au/vital/acc...y/monash:64056
1-3% What a bunch of cuckolding whores, amirite you guyz???
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This is such a fucking fantasy. Where are you getting the information a) the type of person they were divorced from b) the type of person they meet on okcupid c) who terminated the original relationship. This is a story you've constructed in your diseased brain to fit with your preconceptions
Did Dumar just say all woman over the age of 30 are used up? Dumar I challenge you to say that in real life to someone.
Are you like 22 years old? Did you just drink your first beer? Did you hate your mom when you were smaller because she put you in front of Ultima Online at the age of 6 because she didn't love you? Is this why you loved cutting peoples heads off and putting them in boxes in a game?
Are you like 22 years old? Did you just drink your first beer? Did you hate your mom when you were smaller because she put you in front of Ultima Online at the age of 6 because she didn't love you? Is this why you loved cutting peoples heads off and putting them in boxes in a game?
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3% estimate is among married people with zero evidence or suspicion of infidelity. If you're not married, that figure jumps up. If you suspect your partner is unfaithful that's where the 30% figure comes in.
Did you even read that 2nd link? When they RANDOMLY tested women in England, the number was 17% MINIMUM.
Again, random testing... 11.8%
So then here is the whole reason that study is flawed...
It then takes a sex study, where participants were ASKED if they cheated on their spouse... 4% said yes. Therefore the researchers concluded that IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR MARRIED WOMEN TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE'S BABY BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN LYING ON A SURVEY AND PATIENTS NEVER LIE. SO CLEARLY ONLY 3% IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WHY WOULD WOMEN EVER LIE ABOUT CHEATING ON THEIR SPOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So then it mentions the 30% number for the u.s. paternity tests, and the 20% figure for australian tests, and concludes that the number can't possibly be reliable because it's only men who suspect infidelity getting tested and the numbers are fake because those guys are lying just to get business!!!
So this article completely discounts all the prior medical tests that show in random testings of the population, without their knowledge of the paternity test being taken, it's greater than 10%.
He did no research of his own... he just compiled data from other people, much like what you and I are capable of doing, and concluded that it's 3%... because people don't lie in surveys, and ummm, married people only have a 3% risk. So there is no way it's 10% in the general population.
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Dude, even if the wildest estimates of that dodgy research you constantly link is true, that means that the vast majority of fathers are raising their own kids. So why do you and Dumar keep acting like every woman is just waiting for an opportunity to cuckold their husbands?
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You mean the study that was never published and therefor none of the methods were ever able to be duplicated? The study that was only really cited because it's what they're refuting with evidence? Good source
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Because they are alone, have no social skills and 20 years from now will either have commited suicide, gone postal or living in a fucking cabin by themselves.
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Whoever "he" is, there are two studies there and here is another
http://jech.bmj.com/content/59/9/749.long
actualresearch determines that your numbers are shit
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But yes, again, the first article showed, among people that share a name, ie: Married prior to birth, the rate is around 3%. I have never disputed that.
Unfortunately, in some places here in the u.s. 75% of children are being born out of wedlock (example: shithole places like Cleveland). The average rate nationwide is 40%
Latest Statistics on Out-of-Wedlock Births | National Review Online
So great, if you're married, and the woman tags you as the father of the child, 3% chance she's wrong. That doesn't mean 3% of women are cheating, it means 3% of women are getting pregnant with another man because they aren't even using birth control or protection, while married.
If you're not married, and the woman tags you as the father of the child, 10% chance says she's wrong. Again, that doesn't mean 10% of women are having sex with men other than their boyfriends, it means that 10% of the time, if she is rawdogging another man and HE gets her pregnant but not you, even though you were doing it also. The actual number of women that are having unprotected sex with multiple men is FAR higher than 10%.
If you're not married and the woman doesn't know who the father of the child is, 30% of the time she'll get it wrong.\\
Unfortunately, in some places here in the u.s. 75% of children are being born out of wedlock (example: shithole places like Cleveland). The average rate nationwide is 40%
Latest Statistics on Out-of-Wedlock Births | National Review Online
So great, if you're married, and the woman tags you as the father of the child, 3% chance she's wrong. That doesn't mean 3% of women are cheating, it means 3% of women are getting pregnant with another man because they aren't even using birth control or protection, while married.
If you're not married, and the woman tags you as the father of the child, 10% chance says she's wrong. Again, that doesn't mean 10% of women are having sex with men other than their boyfriends, it means that 10% of the time, if she is rawdogging another man and HE gets her pregnant but not you, even though you were doing it also. The actual number of women that are having unprotected sex with multiple men is FAR higher than 10%.
If you're not married and the woman doesn't know who the father of the child is, 30% of the time she'll get it wrong.\\