Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge

Antarius_sl said:

I didn't say that I was able to fuck any woman within 24 hours, by the way, I said that redpillworks on all women. Generally it takes about 10 hours of comfort building

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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:

That is not the ethological definition of alpha male. It is your own definition based on what you think an alpha male is.

I said using successful is a better term to describe people than alpha or beta. Terms which become somewhat meaningless when an individual can be in dozens of social groups at once.

Edit - The redpiller definition of "alpha" is dumb anyway as outside of a small sub type of social groups, do those traits usually tend to make one the highest ranking of said group.

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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:

It isn't because there are so many character traits and random variables that can make someone successful. who is more Alpha Bill Gates or Buffet? The term is meaningless. It's still needed by insecure people like you to feel dominant over others. As mkopec said, "alpha" traits that make males successful in the wild have widely become irrelevant.

Edit - and behavioral science is complex and you can't just have three groups (alpha beta omega) to describe every single male, especially for a species that is so socially complex as humans. Yes it works for species that have small social groups, but loses any usefulness as you examine more robust societal groups.

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khalid_sl said:

Behavioral scientists are starting to reevaluate how relevant the term alpha is even amongst canines, let alone among humans.

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For instance, seasoned leaders of wolf packs actually survey from near the back of the pack when traveling, rather than taking the lead position. Also, in times of scarcity, the leaders allow the young to eat first, rather than feeding themselves first. Wolf behavior experts, such as L. David Mech, have dedicated their lives to observing wolves in their natural state. Some interesting observations include: There is an absence of reports of wolves seeking high positions over the pack, there are no signs of a leader rousting a subordinate from a desired resting place, and an alpha wolf rarely initiates pinning (a dominance behavior). These experts who study wolf behavior describe the role of the wolf leaders as parents- guiding, teaching, and caring for their pack members. When the wolf offspring mature, they do not compete to overthrow the pack leader; instead, they leave the pack, find a mate, and start a family of their own. A parent-family model better describes wolf-wolf relationships than a competitive hierarchy model.

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Cad_sl said:

And if a woman does it, it must be the lowest form of that thing, amirite?

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Antarius_sl said:

What?

Congrats? I enjoy having sex, I enjoy meeting new women. I'm sorry that you don't.

Most people that meet me will never know my partner count, most of the women I bang will never meet any of my friends or co-workers. I don't know why you guys keep using video game terms to describe your relationships, if I hear one more anti-redpill person call their long-term relationship an "end game" or refer to having sex with someone new as "leveling up" I think I'm going to throw up. You guys love to objectify women despite claiming otherwise.

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Caeden_sl said:

My mom was a fucking worthless drug abusing whore. Doesn't always make you a bad person, but I made the decision to move out on my own. Sucks having to grow the fuck up at 15 or you'll end up trash.

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Jackie Treehorn_sl said:

I'm going to flat out state Dumar isn't 95 percent of the "whore fucking machine" he says he is. I called him out numerous times on posting a picture of himself (head not needed) and he won't do it. All he claims is "I'm not fat."

I'm willing to bet 1 shiny penny Dumar is a gigantic dork who is just talking a big game. It's likely even Antarius is overstating how many non-paid for women he's had sex with.

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Cad_sl said:

Its also entirely likely they wildly overstate the type of women they are bagging too. If these guys are the fat losers I expect they are, they'd probably think any chick that doesn't eat her weight in chicken nuggets each day is a HB9!

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Antarius_sl said:

I get accused of only fucking ugly women. I post proof that I'm not only fucking ugly women. I get accused of hating women because I post their pictures on a message board. There is literally no possible way for me to win arguing with you.

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Jackie Treehorn_sl said:

Here's a woman Antarius said he fucked.

Rerolled

Google reverse image search POF profile:

kitten455 Cooking, crafting, sewing, movies, music

Someone send her a pic of Antarius and say he's bragging about having fucked her. Let's ask her how it was.

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Antarius_sl said:

I didn't say that I was able to fuck any woman within 24 hours, by the way, I said that redpillworks on all women. Generally it takes about 10 hours of comfort building (assuming attraction is there in the first place) before you can sleep with a woman without initiating a very strong Anti-Slut Defense. The difference in SMV between you and the woman varies that time frame.

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Khane_sl said:

Antarius, what's with your fucked up obsession with getting women to cheat?

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Antarius_sl said:

You're so right, they should fuck their beta orbiters and white knights instead.

Lol.

Keep dreaming.

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Kirun_sl said:

I'm enjoying Jive Turkey constantly calling for pics, while simultaneously providing none of his own.

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Antarius_sl said:

No, it's just that women tend to think that they can change the definition of words based on how theyFEEL... whereas men tend to go with things like, dictionaries and encyclopedias to define things.

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Well, I guess the first thing to say is how struck I was by the distance between reality and the fable that we've been taught most recently by evolutionary psychology, that is, that men are driven to spread their seed and women, by comparison, are more driven to find one good provider, and that, therefore, while men are very poorly suited to monogamy, women are much better suited to monogamy. But that just really doesn't stand up when you look at the science. The science behind that is flimsy, circular. And the science, when you look at it clearly, that stands in opposition to that is actually fairly strong - still emergent, but fairly strong. And so, that was the first thing that was so striking to me.

ome of the evidence suggesting that female sexuality is stronger than is typically suggested is based on plethysmograph (a tool used to measure vaginal blood-flow and lubrication) studies showing that women become physically aroused to a much wider array of visual stimuli than men (even as they subjectively report a much smaller range of arousal). But what of the hypothesis presented by researcher Meredith Chivers, that vaginal lubrication might not be a reliable measure of female desire, that it is a separate system, an evolutionary adaptation, meant to protect females from sexual violence and bodily harm? If this proved to be true, what would it mean for all these plethysmograph studies?

Now you're at the most complicated part of this whole field, I think. So, let me pause and try to be coherent. OK, so, if that were true - underline if -that were true, that is, if there really are two separate sexual systems, one represented by these physical responses and the other represented by the very subjective sense of desiring, then [these plethysmograph discoveries] would be less relevant to understanding desire. But, I think that both Meredith and I have started to wrestle with a simpler interpretation: that the physical responses, registered in the plethysmography, really might well be a measure of being turned on, being in a state of desire. So, with the range of things that she's exposed women to in the lab - that would be straight women watching two women together, two men together, men and women, and of course, famously, two monkeys having sex - both straight and gay women have consistently responded very powerfully and immediately, physically, to all these kinds of images. And I think, in Meredith's mind, that really does represent something about desire.

On the subject of rape and sexual assault, and the fact that, also in the lab, women are responding generally to scenarios of sexual assault. Here's where we get into a really tricky space, so I hope you have space for this when we're talking about desire. No one, no one, no one - not Meredith, not Marta Meana, and not me - is in any way retracting "no means no." That's number one. Number two is, there are different levels of desire and of fantasy, and you know, fantasy and sexual assault in one form or another are pretty common, but does that mean that any of us want to go out and be sexually assaulted? No, it doesn't. The realm of arousal and the realm of fantasy can tell us something about ourselves psychologically without indicating that we really want to experience that thing, far from it.

Since we're on the topic of rape fantasies, can we talk about why they are so common among women?

I mean here, again, I want to be careful because, number one, I'm a man. You know I've listened a lot at this point and asked a lot of relentless questions, but my answer is going to be inherently a fallible one.

The force of culture puts some level of shame on women's sexuality and a fantasy of sexual assault is a fantasy that allows for sex that is completely free of blame. So that's one reason. Another, which Meana brings up, and which I think is very compelling, is this idea that the feeling of being desired is a very powerful one, a very electrical one. And I think at least at the fantasy level, that sense of being wanted, and being wanted beyond the man's self-control is also really powerful.

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