Red Pill Thread 2.0: Neckbeard Revenge

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1) This relates to this discussion how? I don't see any manginas in this thread (unless you are counting Mist) shitting it up with their warped views on human relationships. When they were identified, they were run out of town on a rail. Or (more rarely) they embraced it and gave no fucks, because they found their niche.

2) The Aspie Gamer demographic is a lot smaller than many think, realistically, at least on this board. The vast majority of the men (you and I not withstanding) are in reasonable shape. They are also reasonably good communicators and who got laid at most available opportunities. The tentacle porn loving weeaboos that haunt the bulk of /b/chan are more in line with that description than the vast bulk of the posters here. Most of us are middle age semi-nerd men who are mid 30s - early 40s and have been married/ are married at least once. We are bread winners with manageable lives, and generally pleased with who we are to some degree. The fact that you believe that more people here are like Sean with a hormone issue is also why you do not grasp the vast criticism you are receiving.

No one (myself included) has any issue with you guys using the (common sense) playbook from RP to get your dick wet by preying on ducked up women. Anyone who was horny enough to lower their standards, man OR woman, has done this at some point. Even Mist resorted to scissoring a Weeaboo to scratch an itch. Everyone has been there, though maybe not to the extremes of Antman's Walmart Fistomania or banging a tranny to get their money's worth.

What most of us are taking issue with is two fold. First, it is the ridiculous double standard of generalizing women under the same wide brush (unless it is your mom, in Dumar's case). The second is preaching this like it is some sort of long term life plan. It is not. It is a short term playbook to get desperate horny men with zero social skills over the hump until they get their shit together, dressed up in a bunch of pseudo science. Even the main author of it concedes it only applies to a very narrow subset of women, but the general woman hating nature of scorned neck bears the internet over has morphed it into this giant pigeon holing of all women as "used up sluts".

If all you idiots did was go "hey, if you need to bust a nut, here is a good way to score some short term trim" no one would have even remotely given a shit. In fact, we would all be nodding and agreeing with you.
 
Phazael

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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
No such thing as aspberger's, asperger's, or assburger's.

We can pretend it does exist and that this thread is you trying to help them. While we are pretending you have to realize that if it was real it would be a real medical condition preventing them from participating in these activities. They would not be able to bring themselves to do Red Pill techniques because their mental block would hold them back. Doesn't matter how much you preach it.
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Yeah, this. Aspie is really just the new PC term for "asshole who doesn't know how to behave around other people" and I see it getting used as an excuse to justify all sorts of socially regressive behavior.
 
Eidal

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Phazael_sl said:
What most of us are taking issue with is two fold. First, it is the ridiculous double standard of generalizing women under the same wide brush (unless it is your mom, in Dumar's case). The second is preaching this like it is some sort of long term life plan. It is not. It is a short term playbook to get desperate horny men with zero social skills over the hump until they get their shit together, dressed up in a bunch of pseudo science. Even the main author of it concedes it only applies to a very narrow subset of women, but the general woman hating nature of scorned neck bears the internet over has morphed it into this giant pigeon holing of all women as "used up sluts".

If all you idiots did was go "hey, if you need to bust a nut, here is a good way to score some short term trim" no one would have even remotely given a shit. In fact, we would all be nodding and agreeing with you.
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Very good post. Agree completely.

Antarius, sorry for getting some of those details wrong. I appreciate your candor in this thread. The point I was trying to make was that the body composition you grew up with was sub-par and its taken you quite a while to do something about it. Strong, disciplined, single men in their 20s realize that training their mind and body will help them in literally every category of their life. You weren't getting laid in your 20s and you wish you had been, but instead of getting jacked and tan, you did what? Himeo just drank garlic sauce and developed a seething hatred for women, so much so that he genuinely thinks men are superior to women in every facet.

I think the best possible scenario for you would be to eventually get bored of nailing trashy women with issues -- most of us got bored of that shit in our 20s but you've entered the game late. Eventually, you'll realize that there exists a large demographic of women who expect substantially more out of a man than what you have to offer right now. Dumar would like to tell you that this is because they've hit the wall and some other TRP nonsense, but I like to think its because they've grown up a bit and aren't retarded 20 year old girls. Whether or not a 35 year old confident, self-sufficient, and intelligent women could ever be beautiful to you remains to be seen. I suspect yes, but you TRP bros just edit them out because they take one look at your nonsense and shame you into a furious blog post about women and the wall.

Caring Vs Uncaring Assholery | Chateau Heartiste

I agree with the gist of that post -- part of being a successful single man is understanding that being alone isn't that damn bad and if a great woman would like to join you then that's even better. That's where successful single men derive their "aloofness" -- because leaving the bar/club single isn't a loss. This isn't assholerly -- especially because you can be aloof (as in, not emotionally invested in your interpersonal reactions) and yet still treat people with respect, and make them feel like you cherish their time. Now, think of how many men you know that roll out at 8 and every hour their standards drop appreciably, until last call they'd be willing to fuck whatever they can find in arms reach. That isn't who you want to be -- women that value themselves recognize that desperation.
 
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I'll address several points (again) clearly and concisely, so as to hopefully put them finally to rest (only to be risen again and zombie'd on the next page, of course).

Eidal_sl said:
Here is my issue. These guys are making broad proclamations about humans that do not jive with my own personal experience. They're also making a value judgement, for example: all women are sluts, being a slut is bad for women but not so for men [...] 3) Dumar -- won't reveal any personal stats except that he makes good money and isn't fat [...] For someone like Dumar to say ("Well, you did [x] 7 years ago so obviously you're a slave to your genetics and you'll never be able to change")... hah, what the fuck ever! That's what these guys are doing [...]
Edit: We roll our eyes when radical feminists talk about rape culture and that all men are rapists; they mock people who say "not all men...". TRPers call all women hypergamous sluts and mock people who say "not all women".
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I specifically and intentionally stayed away fromall anecdotal evidenceso we could speak in terms of objective truth. Every premise I've stated is backed by some study or scholarship. Every conclusion has been drawn entirely from these premises, not a he said/said or 'this one time' kind of nonsense. It only got personal when the white knight brigade asked specifics about myself and started posting their nasty mugshots for whatever reason. It has nothing to do with the argument whatsoever.

I also stated explicitly pages back that this is no way any value judgement whatsoever: I'm glad women have the choice to make sexual choices for themselves (with the consequences). Men and women are different psychologically, however, and multiple partners affects each of them differently. So yes, there's a double-standard because reality demands it, if we want to be objective.

Anecdotal evidence for this week:

1. 22yo on OKC messaged me with 'adventures, let's have some.' and is driving to my condo tomorrow to 'watch movies'. She lives ~16mi away in heavy traffic. Do you think I'm getting to know her as a person?
2. 36yo on OK messaged me today (I messaged her first, more below). Wants to meet up and talk about our shared interests in sailing, scuba, and love for Billy Joel.

This issucha common anecdote that's mirrored by tens of thousands of men all throughout RP-awareness that's it's axiomatic.

I've used OKC probably more than any person here, and I use it as a type of experiment to see human behavior. I'm not saying I bang every woman I meet or every woman will bang me. No. As I said, and as #1 above shows, a woman will slut it up* without barely saying a sentence. But there exists another guy who she will not do so with - that has to 'get to know her as a person' and 'see her as an equal'. That's the guy she'll probably marry, and RP advises you to not be that guy.

#2 likely will give out on the first or second date because she's over the wall, but she won't come to my place first, without meeting in person. When she was early 20's, there existed a guy that likely she did do so with. I'm supposed to learn about her as person first though?

It is not at all equivalent with feminazi rape culture. The number of men that actually rape vs the number of women who sleep around? Not even in the same stratosphere.

Addressing Eomer and Phaz next.

* If slut it up is offensive, then replace with 'fulfill hypergamous impulse'.
 
Sebudai

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Constantly refer to women as sluts and whores. Act mystified when people get the impression that you dislike women.
 
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Sebudai_sl said:
Constantly refer to women as sluts and whores. Act mystified when people get the impression that you dislike women.
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Okay, if people are so biased to language, then instead of slutting it up, I'll call it fulfilling their hypergamous impulses going forward.
 
Sebudai

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By all means, continue to convey your position in the poorest light possible. Stick it to... wait, who are you sticking it to?
 
Phazael

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Calling any women, including happily married ones, who are over 30 used up whores is miles past politically incorrect.
 
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Eomer_sl said:
I believe I've said it before, but it's hilarious that the board's local communist views sexual/romantic relationships basically as a value-centered exchange between the sexes. Women's currency is sex, and men's is time/resources/money. Your entire philosophy on women, apparently, is getting the best "deal" on sex that you possibly can. And really that's why your views are so fucking odious. Women who give up sex "easily" are devalued in your mind, unless you're the one receiving it on the cheap. And once they are past their prime years, their value is also lessened.

I mean, I don't even disagree with some bits and parts of that. But the overall philosophy that you've put together with these bits and pieces is incredibly fucked up.
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Idon't wantto view it this way. You should know how much I absolutely fucking hate the idea of markets pervading everything. Heck, my all-time fav author, Erich Fromm, wrote multiple books about this very thing: on and on about how capitalism invades and transforms the mind. I can even quote him for you.

So yes, I would be the first guy in line if women actually,limbicallygot aroused over the thought of men treating them with respect, as equals in a rational relationship. I would be all over that. Unfortunately, it never,ever - as in never ever -generates arousal or genuine sexual desire.

For me personally, it's not so much 'the best deal'. (I actually don't fuck scores of women all the time; not a player). I just don't wantto get cheatedout of, quite literally, my entire life by someone who is, at least subconsciously, lying to me and maybe herself. And every single fact, every single statistic we can point to and look at leans that direction in a marriage or very LTR.
 
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Phazael_sl said:
First, it is the ridiculous double standard of generalizing women under the same wide brush (unless it is your mom, in Dumar's case). The second is preaching this like it is some sort of long term life plan. It is not. It is a short term playbook to get desperate horny men with zero social skills over the hump until they get their shit together, dressed up in a bunch of pseudo science. Even the main author of it concedes it only applies to a very narrow subset of women, but the general woman hating nature of scorned neck bears the internet over has morphed it into this giant pigeon holing of all women as "used up sluts".
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It isnota double-standard. I've already addressed this.Many women, my mom and others here and elsewhere, were socially ostracized from fulfilling their hypergamous impulses. To this day, there exists some communities that still socially shame women (hi Islam) to the extreme traditional America and earlier did. These women cannot fulfill that impulse, and again as I said, in spite of this, in spite of that communal pressure, some do it anyway, and were even executed or tortured.

Does this make sense? These restraints were lifted with the sexual revolution. They're completely and wholly removed in modern American culture, so much so that's it's actually seen as empowering to casually fulfill all hypergamous impulses (grrl power, Sex in the City, Eat, Pray, Love, etc). Do you think Sex in the City would've existed in the early 20th century? In a conservative, Christian small town?

It is not a short-term playbook. It canbe usedas one, or as a long-term playbook. Or as a modern social science textbook on interpersonal relationships. It's very flexible, always truthful.
 
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All women are whores and want to cheat in a marriage or long relationship. How do you describe men? I hope it is the same as women, because everytime you reference hormone fluctuations, the same can be applied.

Do men cheat more at 6am or so when testosterone is at the highest level during the day?

Edit - Dumar your mom is a whore. People cheat and fuck the same as they did 100 years ago
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
All women are whores and want to cheat in a marriage or long relationship. How do you describe men? I hope it is the same as women, because everytime you reference hormone fluctuations, the same can be applied.

Do men cheat more at 6am or so when testosterone is at the highest level during the day?
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Sure, we can absolutely look at men with the same lens also. (And feminist society definitely has had those narratives long in place: all men are pigs, yadda yadda.) But like I said before, men don't flip their script: a guy at 50 will want the same as a guy at 20.

And again let me stress, I'm not blaming women or hating on them at all - onlydescribingthem as they are, in reality, real life. I understand the problems they've had in history, as being treated as property. I understand their response to this was creating what we now call romance and falling in love. I get it all.
 
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