Science Ethics and Racism in Drug Enforcement Thread

We definitely dig a lot of fucking ditches lol.

Yeah the History of Rome podcast is probably one of the best podcasts I've ever had the joy of listening to.

And its funny you mention how we view all opposition to the Romans as "barbarians", just like the Romans did. That's one of the best illustrations of the usefulness of cultural relativism in ethnographic and archaeological research. They really weren't barbarians, and we've found with archaeological and geographical research that the majority of the roads the "Romans" built were probably first built by the Celts, who built in wood and lacked written records.

The Romans conquered them, rebuilt the roads in stone, and took the credit.

reavor_sl said:

Unfortunately, there is a biological basis for race.http://time.com/91081/what-science-s...-and-genetics/. It's social scientists who pretend there isn't one because it's not a socially acceptable thing to say, usually.

That's true, there is actually no divide between the sciences in as such that social science is essentially simplified biology, which is simplified chemistry, which is simplified physics. Math being the basic tool of these fields.

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Lol no. Would you like me to cite all 31 pages of my final paper for my capstone class in my undergrad career in Anthropology here, complete with citations? It was explicitly rebutting Nicholas Wade's assertion that "evolution is regional in human populations".

Geneticist claims for race are founded in flawed sampling methods that emphasize taking samples from the most distant geographic regions, ignoring the clinal variation of intermediate populations.

Also, its funny, but every single researcher Wade cites for his book....has condemned his conclusions as not representative of their work. Including Noah Rosenberg, Neil Risch, etc.

I suggest instead of reading a pop cultural "science" journalist's speculatory fictional accounts of human variation and his perspective on why it justifies racial mythology, you check out an academic work such as David Serre and Svante P??bo's "Evidence for Gradients of Human Genetic Diversity Within and Among Continents" instead.

You might learn something.

Here I'll help you out with a link to the work with no paywall.

Evidence for Gradients of Human Genetic Diversity Within and Among Continents

You might also check out the 2009 issue of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology titled "Race Reconciled" for about 12 long form rebuttals to virtually every claim Wade makes, prior to his even making them.

Link here, all the articles can be downloaded for free from this link

American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Volume 139, Issue 1 - Race Reconciled: How Biological Anthropologists View Human Variation - Wiley Online Library

You might also read "Anthropology of Race" as well, for some really relevant works on the subject.

Anthropology of Race: Genes, Biology, and Culture (School for Advanced Research Advanced Seminar Series): John Hartigan: 9781934691991: Amazon.com: Books

And Jefferson M Fish's "Race and Intelligence" as well

Race and Intelligence: Separating Science From Myth: Jefferson M. Fish: 9780805837575: Amazon.com: Books

Note that I read probably over 50 works to write my paper, and had to whittle it down to less than 18 because otherwise I was going to end up writing an entire book as well. Wade's case is so bad that the only problem I had rebutting it was choosing what to leave on the cutting room floor so I didn't end up giving my professor a heart attack by laying a 500 page final paper on his desk at the end of the semester.

You and I are in complete agreement that there are aspects of these fields that lack enough rigor. That's why I ended up not just majoring in Anthro, but also have been finalizing a double major in bio/chem as well.

Bro, you're misunderstanding me. I'm not making a claim of one field being superior to another. This isn't a race or a competition. They're all equally useful, in different ways. That's why the chart shouldn't be linear at all, but instead a web of interwoven connections.

If we view knowledge as a web, then (for us at least) human society/the human experience is the center of that web. Anthropology is the study of that phenomena, so it is the glue that binds it all together. That's all.

Palum_sl said:

Anthropology is universally revered as the most important science by the same UN committee that enforces the rigid and fixed standard code of ethics.

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Let's not start with all the butthurt laden strawdogs again

ZyyzYzzy_sl said:

False. Again, inputting your own bias to say how essential the field is to others.

It is all just relative, especially depending on what in particular you are studying, but I'm sure you won't admit that.

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I don't even think what you're saying disagrees with me, honestly.

I agree that perspective most certainly defines how we view that web. And anthropology is fundamentally about the ways in which perspective defines reality for the subjective viewer/experiencer. Its funny but you're actually making ananthropological argumenthere, and in the process, confirming my position.

There's always field work in archaeology bro. If I was an ethnographer I'd worry about employment more.

Anthropologists and Archeologists : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Quick Facts: Anthropologists and Archeologists
2012 Median Pay $57,420 per year
$27.61 per hour
Entry-Level Education Master's degree
Work Experience in a Related Occupation None
On-the-job Training None
Number of Jobs, 2012 7,200
Job Outlook, 2012-22 19% (Faster than average)
Employment Change, 2012-22 1,400

Also there's always teaching medical students. Lots of bio-anth majors teach pre med anatomy/physiology classes to future doctors and nurses.

And education.

Back to the butthurt and strawmanning, this time we're engaging in prognostication strawmanning.

I was thinking more about teaching high school biology or chemistry, or anatomy phys at a community college actually.

High School Teachers : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Postsecondary Teachers : Occupational Outlook Handbook: : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

That's the beauty of what I've pursued with a three field background Z.

There are no limits here.

I also don't need money that badly, in case you haven't figured that out yet.