Science!! Fucking magnets, how do they work?
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Speaking of solar panels, apparently the comet probe landed in a bad spot where it may only get 1 hour + some change in sunlight per Earth day, which is insufficient to power it long term. They said the battery is only 60 hours on the probe, so they may decide to take a risk and try to reposition the probe as a last resort.
Pretty amazing if they can pull it off. I wish I could hear the round table on that listening to the pros and cons of doing so. I'd guess they'd exhaust what ever science they could first in case it never lands on it again after they hit the thrusters.
No thrusters
With maybe a day of power left in the batteries they are going to deploy the drill to try and get samples. With only two out of three legs resting against the surface, and being unsecured, the drill might well make the lander counter-rotate, or tip it over - or it could push it off the surface again.
They are also considering turning the lander (I'm not sure how) so that one of the solar panels gets more light.
As things stand they reckon they'll get about 95% of the science goals done before the batteries run out Saturday, regardless of what happens after that.
Live updates:
Rosetta mission: Philae's third day on comet - live | Science | The Guardian
iannis
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It was a very short mission plan to begin with I thought. 72 hours of function. That's what I've read at least. Really very modest. Literally half of it was just getting it to land. So knocking that down to 60, while bad, is a different sort of bad than if they'd been planning for 2 weeks of uptime.
So this one is sort of a draw so far? We got it there and it is functional. But it's not 100%. It sort of slipped into a crevice. Which already tells us more than we knew, I think. The anchoring solutions they sent were ineffective and those were no doubt our best second, third, and fourth guess. What doesn't work is important too. Hopefully they have enough information to know exactly why.
So this one is sort of a draw so far? We got it there and it is functional. But it's not 100%. It sort of slipped into a crevice. Which already tells us more than we knew, I think. The anchoring solutions they sent were ineffective and those were no doubt our best second, third, and fourth guess. What doesn't work is important too. Hopefully they have enough information to know exactly why.
They reckon now they currently have 80% of the data they hoped for from the mission plan. If the drill worked and there's enough time and power to transmit the results, that rises to 90%.
They have sent a command to the lander to fire built-in springs on the two legs in touch with the surface to try and push the lander up and away, but it isn't thought to be at a good angle. We may know the results very shortly.
As a very long shot, the comet is getting closer to the sun so there may be enough light later on for it to wake up from hibernation, before the heat overcomes it.
They have sent a command to the lander to fire built-in springs on the two legs in touch with the surface to try and push the lander up and away, but it isn't thought to be at a good angle. We may know the results very shortly.
As a very long shot, the comet is getting closer to the sun so there may be enough light later on for it to wake up from hibernation, before the heat overcomes it.
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Salt-Water Fish Extinction Seen By 2048 - CBS News
Fucking finite resources, how does they worked?!?!!
Fucking finite resources, how does they worked?!?!!
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Melvin
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a) How sure are you that what you're asking actually happens?article_sl said:
b) Some hypothetical numbers straight out of my ass: 20% of the original fishermen fishing for 10% of the original fish may deplete the remaining population twice as fast.
iannis
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Why don't we have fish farms? Fish preserves.
Is it just because it's super-easy to poach on the open sea? I mean there's something going on that interferes with making a simple idea a practical reality. And the idea is so simple that a caveman could do it. You don't have the same sorts of problem with this on land. Do we have to convince fishermen that they're actually ocean farmers? Is it a cultural thing?
Similar problems. Pollution, environmental preservation, minimal invasive practices, all that technical good stuff -- sure.
I guess sometimes we do face exactly the same problem with land farming. Dust bowl.
It really does seem like "fish ranching" would not just be a solution, butthesolution to this problem.
Is it just because it's super-easy to poach on the open sea? I mean there's something going on that interferes with making a simple idea a practical reality. And the idea is so simple that a caveman could do it. You don't have the same sorts of problem with this on land. Do we have to convince fishermen that they're actually ocean farmers? Is it a cultural thing?
Similar problems. Pollution, environmental preservation, minimal invasive practices, all that technical good stuff -- sure.
I guess sometimes we do face exactly the same problem with land farming. Dust bowl.
It really does seem like "fish ranching" would not just be a solution, butthesolution to this problem.
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We do have fish farms, basically in tubs, and they're considering ways to do them in the ocean to expand their scope. Nothing realistic has been worked out.
We're not just fucking over the fish population, we're basically eradicating life in the seas. Trawling destroys the flora on the bottom and causes even more substantial impact to the ecosystem. We need international agreements to focus on sustainable solutions to the ocean's resources imminently.
We're not just fucking over the fish population, we're basically eradicating life in the seas. Trawling destroys the flora on the bottom and causes even more substantial impact to the ecosystem. We need international agreements to focus on sustainable solutions to the ocean's resources imminently.
iannis
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No, you could do it. You would apply territorial rights to tracts of ocean.
In principle it's exactly what we do with land. The difference is that water has a long tradition of being unterritorial... which is why I ask if it's cultural.
It's not trolling or stupid. It just flies in the face of over 5,000 years of social tradition. So as a social problem it's damn near insoluble. If you approach it as an engineering problem... it's something that we've already worked out (largely), how to do.
And of course the ease of poaching might also hinder any and all attempt to do it. But this isn't 2,000 years ago. We can use the power of google maps for good, instead of trying to spy on the neighbor lady sunbathing topless!
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Huh? We already have open ocean fish farms. "Fish ranching" as you put it is already a thing and has been for quite some time, but has a host of problems that go along with it, namely disease and pollution. Why do you think they label and differentiate "wild caught" salmon at the grocery store?
There are also numerous fish preserves. The idea of setting aside parts of the world's oceans for preserves is still in it's infancy and has some wrinkles that need to be worked out, but is already being done. When responsible fishing practices and quotas have been established by developed countries, they have been wildly successful. Red snapper in the Gulf is one I can think of off the top of my head and I think Atlantic cod might be starting to rebound as well. I don't think you are very educated on this subject at all.
Fisheries, Healthy Oceans | NRDC
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Ocean Conservancy: Marine Protected Areas
iannis
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No, I'm not very educated on the subject at all. It does sound like the problem has been observed and a plan has been devised to control it and it is completely obvious, and works well when adopted, and its fish ranching. So why the doom and gloom about populations of wild fish?
Population of wild chickens ain't too hard to count either.
Population of wild chickens ain't too hard to count either.