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1. The gravitational effect of objects rotating. You say this field exists, how do you explain that it both rotates and extends infinitely far. Before very long the field would have to exceed C
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Not necessarily.
 
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Those are authors. While they have contributed to science, their main contributions are being good at authoring things.

*Real* science is mostly a bunch of legwork and writing done by grad students while other people take the credit.

Also, medicine is even less scientific than social sciences are. Medicine is mostly a collection of best practices handed down from one doctor to the next. Only very recently has medicine started to be informed by science and even then they get it wrong a lot.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Also, medicine is even less scientific than social sciences are. Medicine is mostly a collection of best practices handed down from one doctor to the next. Only very recently has medicine started to be informed by science and even then they get it wrong a lot.
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You are fucking stupid.
 
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ZyyzYzzy_sl said:
You are fucking stupid.
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Medicine: Science or Art?

I didn't say anything that doctors don't generally admit to themselves. Doctors do not generally confuse themselves with scientists unless they're incredibly full of themselves or are actually doing original research.

Think about it. Most of medicine involves a doctor proscribing you a remedy based on the fact that he proscribed said remedy to the last person with similar symptoms and those symptoms went away. Frequently the drug company that made said remedy has no idea WHY the remedy works on a chemical level, they generally stumble upon them accidentally while trying to make something else. So they frequently don't even have the most basic causality down. What kind of science is that?
 
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Real social scientists actually do original research that includes experiments, because it's a requirement of being a professor at a university. Most doctors do neither. I stand by my assessment.
 
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Medicine: Science or Art?

I didn't say anything that doctors don't generally admit to themselves. Doctors do not generally confuse themselves with scientists unless they're incredibly full of themselves or are actually doing original research.

Think about it. Most of medicine involves a doctor proscribing you a remedy based on the fact that he proscribed said remedy to the last person with similar symptoms and those symptoms went away. Frequently the drug company that made said remedy has no idea WHY the remedy works on a chemical level, they generally stumble upon them accidentally while trying to make something else. So they frequently don't even have the most basic causality down. What kind of science is that?
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Nice edit. For one, you clearly have no idea the knowledge general practioners let alone specialists (who often do research) need to have of physiology and anatomy, cellular biology, chemistry and genetics (much more "scientific" than social sciences).

A cardiologist isn't fucking scheduling someone for open heart surgery because his last patient needed it. He is doing it because based on a spectrum of symptoms and data, he is able to deduce based on his knowledge of the field (scientific).
 
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Real social scientists actually do original research that includes experiments, because it's a requirement of being a professor at a university. Most doctors do neither. I stand by my assessment.
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Again many doctors do research and studies. You wouldn't know because you are a fucking idiot
 
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Mist_sl said:
Real social scientists actually do original research that includes experiments, because it's a requirement of being a professor at a university. Most doctors do neither. I stand by my assessment.
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Yea Mist, lots of medical doctors actually do do studies, research and experiments (clinical studies) and publish their work.
 
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For certain definitions of 'many' and 'lots.' Certainly not most. Clinical scientists are a pretty small segment of the field of medical professionals.

Again, I'm getting this from actual doctors.Mostof them will tell you thatmostof what they do in the course of the regular treatment of patients is not very scientific. Most of it is more or less 'this is how I was taught.' That makes it more art than science.

It's the same way with teaching. There's LOTS of science about how to teach effectively, and we're constantly producing more of it, but almost no teachers actually use it. They use what works for them, and what works for the teachers they studied under.

The science/medicine discussion comes from actual work I have done. *redacted, I need to ask someone's permission and the legal status of a startup idea we were working on.*
 
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Mist_sl said:
For certain definitions of 'many' and 'lots.' Certainly not most. Clinical scientists are a pretty small segment of the field of medical professionals.

Again, I'm getting this from actual doctors.Mostof them will tell you thatmostof what they do in the course of the regular treatment of patients is not very scientific. Most of it is more or less 'this is how I was taught.' That makes it more art than science.

It's the same way with teaching. There's LOTS of science about how to teach effectively, and we're constantly producing more of it, but almost no teachers actually use it. They use what works for them, and what works for the teachers they studied under.

The science/medicine discussion comes from actual work I have done. *redacted, I need to ask someone's permission and the legal status of a startup idea we were working on.*
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Thinks medicine isn't very scientific, uses anecdotes to back up claims.
 
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Mist_sl said:
For certain definitions of 'many' and 'lots.' Certainly not most. Clinical scientists are a pretty small segment of the field of medical professionals.

Again, I'm getting this from actual doctors.Mostof them will tell you thatmostof what they do in the course of the regular treatment of patients is not very scientific. Most of it is more or less 'this is how I was taught.' That makes it more art than science.

It's the same way with teaching. There's LOTS of science about how to teach effectively, and we're constantly producing more of it, but almost no teachers actually use it. They use what works for them, and what works for the teachers they studied under.

The science/medicine discussion comes from actual work I have done. *redacted, I need to ask someone's permission and the legal status of a startup idea we were working on.*
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Most and lots of PhD's with social science degrees do shit with their lives.
 
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