Science!! Fucking magnets, how do they work?

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Unless we prepared with some super-seeds, I wonder if the sort of FUD civilization collapsing climate change would be survivable for even small isolated communities.

It might be, it might not be, I honestly dunno and wonder, but there's a lot more that goes into agriculture these days than "put seeds in dirt. Wait."

It's not quite like growing a garden. You can't live off your little vegetable patch.
 
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Eomer_sl said:
Again, what does the Earth's atmosphere and/or climate change have to do with space exploration or colonization?
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Because a lot of people are in this weird camp that we need to colonize space because our atmosphere is dying. They say it's already too late. Yet they talk about colonizing places that have worse or no atmosphere. They say, well we are using a habitat anyways so it doesn't matter.

Earth is doomed from a 2 C rise but we are going to move to a planet that is -195 F at night.
 
Eomer

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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Because a lot of people are in this weird camp that we need to colonize space because our atmosphere is dying. They say it's already too late. Yet they talk about colonizing places that have worse or no atmosphere. They say, well we are using a habitat anyways so it doesn't matter.

Earth is doomed from a 2 C rise but we are going to move to a planet that is -195 F at night.
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Are you talking a lot of people on these boards? Or a lot of prominent public figures/scientists? I don't seem to recall many people on these boards making that argument. And most prominent public figures calling for continued efforts to colonize other planets/moons are doing so for a variety of reasons and don't focus only on climate change as being the reason we need to do so. Your whole line of argument in this regard appears to be a strawman, from where I stand.
 
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Don't forget the part where climate science is basically pseudoscience bullshit where the main organization behind it is proven to be willing to lie about data to push a political agenda. It's not even a fucking accusation, they were actually caught red handed.
 
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Eomer_sl said:
Are you talking a lot of people on these boards? Or a lot of prominent public figures/scientists? I don't seem to recall many people on these boards making that argument. And most prominent public figures calling for continued efforts to colonize other planets/moons are doing so for a variety of reasons and don't focus only on climate change as being the reason we need to do so. Your whole line of argument in this regard appears to be a strawman, from where I stand.
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Hodj himself made that claim.

He said we can't survive in the barren areas of Earth because of the topsoil, instead we should be colonizing Mars ....
 
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Eomer_sl said:
It started with BrotherWu posting a shitty chart that tries to make it look like humans can't possibly influence the climate and went from there:Science!! Fucking magnets, how do they work? - Page 167
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I'm neither a chemist, nor a geologist nor a climatologist and I don't want to become one. I felt like I was asking a legitimate question of people who have more experience on these topics than I do.

When I consider that the lakes in the area in which I live were formed by and and still covered by glaciers 2 miles thick about 10,000 years ago, it seems like we might be pissing on a rather large fire, meaning we are subject to forces much greater than our ability to influence over geological timeframes. I'm no position to assert that "humans can't possibly influence the climate" and I was not trying to do so.

In fact, I'm in favor of C02 elimination simply for what it means with regard to cleaner energy, irrespective of what we can or can't do about influencing the climate.

Also, I vote we take the extra water from NYC and send it to Mars. Two birds, one stone.
 
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Climate change folks didn't do themselves any favors over the decades with all the doom and gloom predictions and then have to try and explain why warming seemingly stopped only to then say Oh our bad we weren't looking at the data correctly and accounting for something. I remember the late 80's pretty well and I can remember predictions about early 2000 and how coastal cities would be under water and how the earth was pretty much immediately fucked. Eco-refugees would be all over and entire nations would be wiped out. Not only that but I also remember predictions about lots of heat and no snow, mild winters, harsh summers etc. Now the tune is obviously different with the data showing the opposite.

I have no issues with man made global warming. I have no issues with cutting our foot print and cleaning up our air, protecting trees, not dumping shit into and killing the oceans etc. I do have issues with the Climatologists as their predictions for what to expect have been mostly wrong and they have done themselves and their cause a disservice by crying wolf for decades.

Fortunately I think we are getting closer to the majority in the country to care about the problem despite the serious missteps on the way.
 
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Furry_sl said:
Don't forget the part where climate science is basically pseudoscience bullshit where the main organization behind it is proven to be willing to lie about data to push a political agenda. It's not even a fucking accusation, they were actually caught red handed.
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Sources please. No scientific misconduct was found with the "Climategate" bullshit despite multiple investigations, and the scientific conclusions of the CRU and IPCC remained unchanged:Climatic Research Unit email controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eight committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct.[15] The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged by the end of the investigations.[17] However, the reports urged the scientists to avoid any such allegations in the future, and to regain public confidence following this media storm, with "more efforts than ever to make available all their supporting data - right down to the computer codes they use - to allow their findings to be properly verified". Climate scientists and organisations pledged to improve scientific research and collaboration with other researchers by improving data management and opening up access to data, and to honour any freedom of information requests that relate to climate science.[16]
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Basically, you're a dumb shit.

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Hodj himself made that claim.

He said we can't survive in the barren areas of Earth because of the topsoil, instead we should be colonizing Mars ....
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Great, one guy did. And he's now in the rickshaw and has a well documented history of autistically arguing the most retarded things. That's your "a lot of people"?

BrotherWu_sl said:
I'm neither a chemist, nor a geologist nor a climatologist and I don't want to become one. I felt like I was asking a legitimate question of people who have more experience on these topics than I do.

When I consider that the lakes in the area in which I live were formed by and and still covered by glaciers 2 miles thick about 10,000 years ago, it seems like we might be pissing on a rather large fire, meaning we are subject to forces much greater than our ability to influence over geological timeframes. I'm no position to assert that "humans can't possibly influence the climate" and I was not trying to do so.
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It's a legitimate question to ask, but the link and image you posted came from a source that is a well known climate change denier and possibly a complete fucking moron:Why Is Fox Going To Joe Bastardi For Climate Change Analysis? | Research | Media Matters for America. Of course it's going to get people's hackles up:
 
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Kedwyn_sl said:
I have no issues with man made global warming. I have no issues with cutting our foot print and cleaning up our air, protecting trees, not dumping shit into and killing the oceans etc. I do have issues with the Climatologists as their predictions for what to expect have been mostly wrong and they have done themselves and their cause a disservice by crying wolf for decades.
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Source please. The beginning part of your post you talk about predictions in the 80's claiming that we'd immediately be seeing massive sea level rises and refugee crises. Let's see those. They should be easy to dig up. And I'm not talking shit that Al Gore or David Suzuki has said. I'm talking actual scientists making scientific predictions.

Because the reality is that climate models have actually done an excellent job predicting what's actually happened with global climate, within reason, and if anything have been too conservative up to this point:How reliable are climate models?

Climate models accurately predicted global warming when reflecting natural ocean cycles | Dana Nuccitelli | Environment | The Guardian

How Accurate Are Existing Computer Climate Modeling Techniques? | Union of Concerned Scientists
 
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San Jose Mercury News (CA) - June 30, 1989 - 3F General News

GRIM FORECAST
A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees," threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human...
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Hodj himself made that claim.

He said we can't survive in the barren areas of Earth because of the topsoil, instead we should be colonizing Mars ....
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This isn't what he said and it is pretty disingenuous to keep repeating this, especially when he is in the shaw and can't deny it himself.
 
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Kedwyn_sl said:
San Jose Mercury News (CA) - June 30, 1989 - 3F General News

GRIM FORECAST
A senior environmental official at the United Nations, Noel Brown, says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of "eco-refugees," threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human...
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That does not say that the effects of global warming will happen by 2000. That says that we had until 2000 to reverse global warming that will cause those effects in the future. Also it was just a single forecast. No all predicted outcomes are as dire but a lot are.
 
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It doesn't even matter if the climatologists are overstating things (which I'm not saying they are). Putting the amount of co2 in the atmosphere that we are, when we do not have to because alternative technologies exist, is just flat out stupid.
 
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We shouod make a climate thread so we dont litter the good and noble science thread with bullshit.
 
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I think that there are separated issues with a global temperature increase. First, if the global temperature went up by 10C, the whole tropic section will be wiped of animal life, not because the plants will die, but because, mammals have problem with temperatures that high. I'm not sure how lizards will fare, but it will not be pretty. Lots of plants will die, toasted basically, leaving only those very near water that could stand the constant evaporation. It will simply shift all animal population north to the poles.

Will it wipe the human race, of course not, people will live in Canada, europe, or exclusively in regions near water, where they can counteract the new temperatures with constant water drinking, or building a society with shade everywhere

For example, Sweden max temperature historically has been 73F, a 10C increase will not put this into uninhabitable, it will basically be the tropics. Same as plants, whatever plants dies because of the temperature will now be able to grow more at the northern areas.

In other words not the end. Just a lot of people dying, a small(relatively) chunk surviving, the exact numbers who knows.
 
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Palum_sl said:
Oh, that's actually cool. Still not a legit 'hoverboard' per se but the orientation fix thing is very cool.
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It's got a magnetic track. Lexus must've made the whole skate park out of it. Doesn't look like its purely magnetic locking tho. They supposedly made several more ads with the prototype:

 
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