Science!! Fucking magnets, how do they work?

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I keep trying to help you save some face because I actually like you as a poster, actually.
 

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Jive, Hodj is saying evidence suggests in a neutral system wisdom teeth tend to disappear because of gene dominance and/or other tied in traits. There used to be a lot of benefit to having them though so they survived as they provided a benefit.

It's not 100% selective pressure as you seem to be asking for proof of (ie babies with wisdom teeth suffer from infant teeth mortality), it's a negative pressure from gene selection on the wisdom teeth that is simply no longer counterbalanced by the selective pressure of survival benefits to having them.
 

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I keep trying to help you save some face because I actually like you as a poster, actually.
Then what's with the aggression? I stepped back from my dickish first post because I honestly didn't mean to come across as dickish. But we seem to have spiralled down the shitter since then (me included)
 

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Because you turned a good discusion into a shit show.

The same reason everyone else is in here telling you to just stahp.

Its cool, I like you bro.

We all do this from time to time. Myself more than most.
 

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Jive, Hodj is saying evidence suggests in a neutral system wisdom teeth tend to disappear because of gene dominance and/or other tied in traits. There used to be a lot of benefit to having them though so they survived as they provided a benefit.

It's not 100% selective pressure as you seem to be asking for proof of (ie babies with wisdom teeth suffer from infant teeth mortality), it's a negative pressure from gene selection on the wisdom teeth that is simply no longer counterbalanced by the selective pressure of survival benefits to having them.
I get that, but my point is kind of a further counter point to that; the negative selective pressure onhavingwisdom teeth is no longer the factor that it used to be. All things considered, I'd argue that there is more likely an equilibrium
 

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Because you turned a good discusion into a shit show.

The same reason everyone else is in here telling you to just stahp.

Its cool, I like you bro.

We all do this from time to time. Myself more than most.
Alright, alright. I'm honestly still not convinced, but I'm convinced that you don't give a shit about that. Stepping back

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I get that, but my point is kind of a further counter point to that; the negative selective pressure onhavingwisdom teeth is no longer the factor that it used to be. All things considered, I'd argue that there is more likely an equilibrium
There may be an equilibrium in the gene promoting the growth of the wisdom tooth itself, but again, if the jaw shortens so much that the tissue from which the wisdom teeth develop is no longer present, we would still evolve out of the wisdom teeth, even though the wisdom teeth genes would remain. They would probably be de-activated via methylation either at conception, or sometime during gestation most likely.
 

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Do you really?

That's an interesting mutation.

Not as interesting as this one though.

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i do indeed have a supernumeray wisdom tooth in the upper right side of my jaw.

maybe it's fucking with my temporal lobe, might explain my religious beliefs.
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I googled fifth wisdom tooth and found at least one person on reddit claiming to have it too, so at least you're not alone!
 

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Do you really?

That's an interesting mutation.

Not as interesting as this one though.

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Had to google some anatomy diagrams to see what that is. An elongated styloid process? What would that look like in life? Or would it just extend down the interior of the neck?
 

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Had to google some anatomy diagrams to see what that is. An elongated styloid process? What would that look like in life? Or would it just extend down the interior of the neck?
I had eagles syndrome. It's a calcified ligament. There are numerous reasons that ligaments can calcify which all aren't understood, and its not fully understood why it leans to pain in some people.
 

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I had eagles syndrome. It's a calcified ligament. There are numerous reasons that ligaments can calcify which all aren't understood, and its not fully understood why it leans to pain in some people.
Did it affect you in any way? A couple of the links said it's sometimes only found during a tonsillectomy
 

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Had to google some anatomy diagrams to see what that is. An elongated styloid process? What would that look like in life? Or would it just extend down the interior of the neck?
That's pretty much it. It shouldn't actually cause too many problems in restricting the motion of the head as it swivels on the axis because of the position of it relative to the spine.

Basically it would go down along the side of the spine and would be an anchor point for all the muscles in that area, as it is normally, just much more so.
 

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I had eagles syndrome. It's a calcified ligament. There are numerous reasons that ligaments can calcify which all aren't understood, and its not fully understood why it leans to pain in some people.
Nah, that's actually a hyper extended styloid.

It was posted to the Bioanthropology News Group a year or two ago and there was a lot of ooohing and aahhing over it.

But you're right that ligaments and such can calcify, and do in people pretty often. Skeletal remains of women who grind a lot of flour in traditional communities show a shit load of ossification of the muscles and ligaments around the lumbar vertebrae from all the rocking back and forth, for instance. Stress can cause it, basically.

Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva is a genetic disorder that causes torn muscle to be repairs with osseous tissue, eventually locking the individual into a second skeleton.

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Did it affect you in any way? A couple of the links said it's sometimes only found during a tonsillectomy
Neck pain while turning head and a restriction of movement, clicking when turning neck. Sudden sharp pains when swallowing that would sometimes cause me to choke.

Since I like my swallowing, I had to fix that shit stat.
 

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Fibrodysplasia ossificans progressiva is a genetic disorder that causes torn muscle to be repairs with osseous tissue, eventually locking the individual into a second skeleton.
This is what I immediately thought of after Furry's post. Fuck this. This and locked-in syndrome might be the scariest shit ever