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hodj

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@Hodj Is there any consensus if we all started out black and then lost that pigment as we migrated to Europe and Asia or White and the skin darkened over time to protect against the sun?
All evidence thus far that I'm aware of points to the former, not the latter. Pre-modern homo sapiens developed, according to genetic analysis and confirmed thus far by all fossil evidence (though we found the fossils first, obviously, by the Leakey's and others in the early and mid part of last century) in the Great Rift Valley, particularly in the portion of the Great Rift Valley that is in Kenya.

Dark skin color in bright, hot environments is strongly selected for because lighter skinned people in those environments are more prone to skin cancers, heat exhaustion, and other heat related conditions that can be fatal.

Lighter skin is selected for strongly in colder environments that see less overall sunlight during the year because lighter skin allows for more efficient production of Vitamin D, which is primarily synthesized in humans via physiological reactions to sunlight (I don't know the pathway by which that operates, but you can google like Vitamin D pathway in humans or something and probably get a full explanation of how that works).

This is why you see a gradation of skin tones as you move away from the equator, as our bodies balanced the need for protection from cancer causing sunlight and our need for sunlight to produce Vitamin D.

Anthropologists from the 1800s up until the Leakey and other findings in Africa, looked high and low for evidence that humanity first evolved in Europe, even going so far as to hypothesize we evolved in Britain and the like, but not much evidence has ever been provided to justify that claim.

Now, some of this paradigm might be shifting a bit towards a position that after pre modern homo sapiens spread out around the globe, that modern homo sapiens developed sort of concurrently across all three major continents, which is plausible, but the verdict is still out on that one.
 

The Ancient_sl

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Forgive my interjection as a layman, but I think the only reasonable explanation is both. There is no way we "started off" dark like Africans, you don't really see primates with that sort of pigmentation under their hair.
 

Ambiturner

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Forgive my interjection as a layman, but I think the only reasonable explanation is both.There is no way we "started off" dark like Africans, you don't really see primates with that sort of pigmentation under their hair.
Except we didn't evolve from primates of today and the skin could have lightened due to hair.

Not an expert on this by any means, just saying it's not "the only reasonable explanation"
 

Jive Turkey

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Chimps, gorillas, and orangutans are all quite dark under their hair. It wouldn't be unrealistic to think our common ancestors also started off with dark skin
 

hodj

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And the process of losing hair gradually, which is probably related to the efficiency of heat dispersal related to being able to sweat freely (we're one of the only species with the proliferation of sweat glands across the whole body that we have, if not the only species) meant there was plenty of time for the skin to darken alongside the reduction in hair in our primate ancestors.
 

Jive Turkey

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Not African dark.
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Mostly just an excuse to post those pictures
 

Ukerric

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@Hodj Is there any consensus if we all started out black and then lost that pigment as we migrated to Europe and Asia or White and the skin darkened over time to protect against the sun?
As Hodj said, the former.

Incidentally, skin lightening occurred completely independently in Europe and Asia. Like everything in biology, it's complicated but the current consensus is that about a dozen genes control your skin tone, and those genes mutated independently in Europe and Asia.
Anthropologists from the 1800s up until the Leakey and other findings in Africa, looked high and low for evidence that humanity first evolved in Europe, even going so far as to hypothesize we evolved in Britain and the like, but not much evidence has ever been provided to justify that claim.
Genetic diversity is usually associated with age of population "since founding", and genetic diversity is much higher in Africa than anywhere else. The current view is that the African population is "older" than the rest, and most of the European, Asian and American populations are of very recent founding.

In addition, there's a few recent studies that tend to indicate that the current European is chiefly composed of late invaders; i.e. that there was a first wave of migration of modern humans hunter-gatherers, which met and interbred with the Neanderthal and out-competed them, driving them to extinction, then a subsequent wave of migration when agriculture started to take hold, and those agriculturalists came, settled, and used the enormous advantage of cultivation to completely out-compete the old hunter-gatherers, replacing most of their genes with theirs.
Now, some of this paradigm might be shifting a bit towards a position that after pre modern homo sapiens spread out around the globe, that modern homo sapiens developed sort of concurrently across all three major continents, which is plausible, but the verdict is still out on that one.
I saw a recent spat of studies that suggest a retro-migration occuring from middle east back into Africa.

The following picture of Y-based genetic structure gives you an idea of how complicated our history is:
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(it's a simplification, because it tracks men only, and it's usually a "winner takes all" event when a small horde of barbarians invade and take all the wimmin)
 

Itzena_sl

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And the process of losing hair gradually, which is probably related to the efficiency of heat dispersal related to being able to sweat freely (we're one of the only species with the proliferation of sweat glands across the whole body that we have, if not the only species) meant there was plenty of time for the skin to darken alongside the reduction in hair in our primate ancestors.
I know it's not got very much evidence at all to support it, but I've always liked the Aquatic Ape hypothesis to explain certain idiosyncrasies of human biology - why do we have minimal body hair/a dive reflex/a descended larynx/more subcutaneous fat/etc compared to the rest of the Great Apes? Well, wecouldbe descended from semi-aquatic apes that lived on a seashore or lakeshore and those traits are all all positively selected for in that sort of environment. It also helps with the brain size increase if said swimming primates are eating food rich in fatty omega acids (like, for example, fish).
 

Jive Turkey

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The only one who seems to give a shit about nets is you, first for whining like a bitch for when you received one and then when you bitched about in giving me one. Want to prove you dont care about nets, next time you get one stfu and dont cry.
Now I'm getting unsolicited romance notes from this kid. And all for giving him a +net. So unappreciative!
 

Burnem Wizfyre

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Now I'm getting unsolicited romance notes from this kid. And all for giving him a +net. So unappreciative!
I gave you a neg for shit posting, you cried like the whiny cunt you are and when I didn't respond you gave me a + net with a note letting me know how much you don't care about nets and how I obviously do. Instead of shitting up the thread I sent you a private message in response to your stupid remark in the +net. Congratulations you got me to help you further shit up the thread, sorry everyone else.
 

Jive Turkey

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I gave you a neg for shit posting, you cried like the whiny cunt you are and when I didn't respond you gave me a + net with a note letting me know how much you don't care about nets and how I obviously do. Instead of shitting up the thread I sent you a private message in response to your stupid remark in the +net. Congratulations you got me to help you further shit up the thread, sorry everyone else.
Lol
 

Jive Turkey

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I'm sure it's probably been posted in here before and if not, a lot of you have already seen it elsewhere, but it's one of my favourite things ever. A god of the gaps getting crushed like so many watermelons between an amazon's thighs