Yeah I doubt anyone will be laying new copper anytime soon. I can see fiber to the block and copper to home as a good solution though with the new DSL technologies.
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If you have Comcast in the area there is absolutely no reason to go with DSL ever, unless price is a major selling point for you. Comcast gets a lot of shit, but in most areas their internet is fast and reliable, you just pay out the ass for it.
That said, Fiber is the way of the future.. it's just going to take a long time to lay it down.
That said, Fiber is the way of the future.. it's just going to take a long time to lay it down.
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That is pretty cool, I had not thought of that. I would think there would be extensive noise issues though for data transmission, but I know nothing of the technology.
Why wasnt there any actual throughput or pricing information though? Seems like a puff piece.
Joeboo
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Here is their website:
EPB Fiber Optics
1000Mbps for $69.99 per month. Basically the same as Google Fiber
and the same as what I pay for 50Mbps from Time Warner. Goddamn I hate TW so much...
EPB Fiber Optics
1000Mbps for $69.99 per month. Basically the same as Google Fiber
and the same as what I pay for 50Mbps from Time Warner. Goddamn I hate TW so much...
Noodleface
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Oh so they are just laying fiber along with their power. Nothing to see here then. Municipal ISPs always fail.
Joeboo
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Those poor, disadvantaged cable companies. My heart bleeds for Comcast and Time Warner and their (supposed)inability to compete with a big bad bully like a local power company.
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It actually works amazingly well, Moses Lake did the same thing, when the time came for the power lines to be redone they also ran Fibre right along with the lines.
Very low line noise sense the fibre is shielded in a separate sleeve along with the power line.(course the ISP side failed, but another company did pick up the Data part of it.)
Chanur
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Actually they are generating lots of profit, enough that their credit rating was upgraded. Thanks for playing though.
Wtf Moses Lake! Yeah my best buddy just got internet through that project. Small world.
Folanlron
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Grew up there, I remember when they started the project, the shit that Qwest/Charter were shoveling residents was all bullshit and the whole city knew.
Higher rates whatever you idiots, competition is a good thing, too bad they are so fucking controlling too let anyone do what they want..(I've been wanting to start a WISP for a long time, but AT&T/Suddenlink(were I live) have the city council people in there pockets..)
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When do they start to fail?
Free Speed Upgrades, 3000th Customer for North Carolinas Community-Owned Fibrant | Stop the Cap!
Fibrant has signed up nearly 10% of its community in 4 years and will turn a profit.
If community based broadband always fails, then why did the North Carolina legislature pass a cable backed law that pretty much bans them?
Folanlron
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From the moses lake project the main reason why they start too fail, is because after awhile the Utility will start loosing money.(they are a utility provider not a ISP it's a different ball game.)
Seems that Carolina actually got it right hurray, now maybe wheeler will actually start working on, getting rid of the legislature from other states.
And the smear campaign that the major ISP's do doesn't help at all.
Seems that Carolina actually got it right hurray, now maybe wheeler will actually start working on, getting rid of the legislature from other states.
And the smear campaign that the major ISP's do doesn't help at all.
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Because telecom companies lobbied for them to be banned? I mean its pretty damn obvious whats going on.
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Sorry I haven't been in this thread for awhile. If you have CenturyLink then yes, go to a local place and demand a tech come out to your home. Over the phone will get you literally no where, their over the phone support is absolute shit. Their techs on the other hand are good and are very busy and don't want to revisit sites more than once.
You need to be sure (a lot of people don't realize this is actually the issue at hand) that the lines within the house aren't super old and are in proper working order. More often than now (especially in a fiber area with 40mb) it's the lines in the house that are preventing them from reaching those speeds. They offer an insurance for inside maintenance for like $6 a month, otherwise it's a pretty high hourly rate charge for them to check those lines. I'd just get that and then start bitching about getting a tech out there to take a look.
When I was with Qwest and then CenturyLink I had their 40mb connection for awhile and routinely was at 50+mb. I then jumped to their 100mb connection when it came out and was always at 120mb+. The speeds are very attainable and the myth that DSL is slow is somewhat laughable, especially being DSP offers higher CONSISTANT speeds than cable. In 4 years of having it my service only ever went down due to when they upgraded to fiber and then when they redid their DSLAM to handle pair bonding for 60, 80 and 100mb speeds. DSL while great, is totally reliant on those inside lines as well though and when people don't have the speeds they need they automatically blame their provider when it could be crappy wiring. Even new wiring can be at fault if something is grounding out.
Get the insurance and then get it checked.
Currently I have a 50mb connection with Comcast and even with that I can't wait until I'm once again eligible for the discount I'll be getting with CenturyLink once I'm eligible in another 5 months. I've never had the speeds and reliability with cable that I've had with Qwest/CenturyLink.
You need to be sure (a lot of people don't realize this is actually the issue at hand) that the lines within the house aren't super old and are in proper working order. More often than now (especially in a fiber area with 40mb) it's the lines in the house that are preventing them from reaching those speeds. They offer an insurance for inside maintenance for like $6 a month, otherwise it's a pretty high hourly rate charge for them to check those lines. I'd just get that and then start bitching about getting a tech out there to take a look.
When I was with Qwest and then CenturyLink I had their 40mb connection for awhile and routinely was at 50+mb. I then jumped to their 100mb connection when it came out and was always at 120mb+. The speeds are very attainable and the myth that DSL is slow is somewhat laughable, especially being DSP offers higher CONSISTANT speeds than cable. In 4 years of having it my service only ever went down due to when they upgraded to fiber and then when they redid their DSLAM to handle pair bonding for 60, 80 and 100mb speeds. DSL while great, is totally reliant on those inside lines as well though and when people don't have the speeds they need they automatically blame their provider when it could be crappy wiring. Even new wiring can be at fault if something is grounding out.
Get the insurance and then get it checked.
Currently I have a 50mb connection with Comcast and even with that I can't wait until I'm once again eligible for the discount I'll be getting with CenturyLink once I'm eligible in another 5 months. I've never had the speeds and reliability with cable that I've had with Qwest/CenturyLink.
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Ok I live in Chandler, AZ and have cox for TV and internet. I was browsing the internet at work and stumbled across a bundle with price guarantee for 24 months for TV with like 240 channels including HBO/Cinemax for 2 years and Starz free for 12 months, the premier tier of internet (100 Mbps down/10 up), and phone (which I'll never use) all for like $128 a month. I currently pay like $150 a month for just TV and internet. No premium channels and 50/5 internet speed.
Cox will not let me get that package as a current customer. Can I cancel and have my wife signup for the new package? She's not on my acct now. Do they have anyway to check that?
Cox will not let me get that package as a current customer. Can I cancel and have my wife signup for the new package? She's not on my acct now. Do they have anyway to check that?
Suddenlink and AT&T arent much for competition. You in Washington? I'd be happy to do a little WISP consulting or get you hooked up with someone in the area.
You might want to check out their annual reports. Breaking even is not the same as making money. And they are 4.1+ million in the hole from last year. Just running some quick totally arbitrary numbers, assuming a 50% profit margin on 3300 customers (which is high and unlikely) puts them at over 5 years just to pay off year 1 debt, let alone build out costs over those 5 years. So, if they are still chugging along in 10 years, I'll eat crow.
Municipal ISP's are like hard drives. There are those that have failed, and those that will.
EDIT: I'll add a little more here. With the current cost of build outs and customer pricing expectations, you are left with two options. The build outs are going to generate MASSIVE debts. The kind of debts that can only be absorbed by 1. the govment 2. Google (temporarily)
Or, customers can get more realistic, accept 50-100mbps for <$100/month and have fiber to the block, not fiber to the home. If you want FTTH, expect ~$200/month for internet in 5-10 years. Which really you should be fine with, because you were already paying that for TV + Phone + Internet.