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I think the main problem with these mystery box shows is that the writers don't really have a plan. Great first season for the concept, then they just wing it after that. That's why you get red herrings, and story threads that go nowhere. The great shows are ones where the writers have a vision and have mapped everything out from beginning to end.
 
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ShakyJake said:
I think the main problem with these mystery box shows is that the writers don't really have a plan. Great first season for the concept, then they just wing it after that. That's why you get red herrings, and story threads that go nowhere. The great shows are ones where the writers have a vision and have mapped everything out from beginning to end.
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Yep, but for good series you tend to end up with -
They planned out enough for x seasons- and the demand didn't match, so they have to either add or remove x episodes which fucks all the pacing at a minimum
You delivered a complete idea - but the studio and audience wanted something else going forward

Ultimately there is basically no shot the runners of any show are going to say, yeah we're done: Fuck the money.
 
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ShakyJake said:
I think the main problem with these mystery box shows is that the writers don't really have a plan.
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I stopped caring about the X Files before it's initial run even concluded but just making shit up is old hat with TV

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Even something as good as TNG's The Best of Both Worlds ended on a cliffhanger with no plans (at the time) on how to conclude it.
 
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They hadn't tested their connection in any way that would have evoked memories of their real life together.
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not true, Mrs. Kobel deliberately put the candle that Gemma loved in their therapy room while Ms. Casey and Mark were together. Plus as viewers we already know bleed through occurs (Irving, Dylan/wife, Helly/fucking Mark) so it all just seems so random.

I think my biggest problem is season 1 was very clever in its setup and MDR felt like useless office work that every drone does, pointless shit to get through the day that had a high reflexive nature of corporate America. Season 2 ramped up MDR to be meaningful - "what is Cold Harbor?!?!" - but so far the meaning is not making any fucking sense.
 
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The goats were stand ins for Children. I wonder if they saw them as goats as part of the procedure. The goat holder even looked like swaddling and they are called kids. It also would make sense why Brienne is so emotional about it.
 
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ShakyJake said:
I think the main problem with these mystery box shows is that the writers don't really have a plan. Great first season for the concept, then they just wing it after that. That's why you get red herrings, and story threads that go nowhere. The great shows are ones where the writers have a vision and have mapped everything out from beginning to end.
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Agreed.

It seems crazy to me that someone can make a mystery show with an extremely engaging and clever season 1 and not have an even more clever idea of how it all ends.
 
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Tuco said:
Agreed.

It seems crazy to me that someone can make a mystery show with an extremely engaging and clever season 1 and not have an even more clever idea of how it all ends.
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it's probably the brutal reality of content delivery

you can write a GOT forever and as long as your publisher and editor is cool, you can keep on writing, even if it's garbage, and now w/ self publishing, if you just "want to get the work out" you can do that too and still make pennies.

if you write a script beyond 1 season and your show gets cancelled or "we don't have the budget, we are going to shorten your eps count now" or you have a few actors die

or like babylon5 your main actor is a horrible drunk and you have to write him out.

and then if your network fails you and you try to put it in a different media format, no one is going to like that.

like how josh whedon continued firefly in comic form
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he says these are cannon this is his story, but no one gives a shit
 
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The whole variety show marching band thing was pretty wtf, but all of you acting like you'd run out a door that will end your existence are full of shit. Even re-integration would sketchy as hell. Wouldn't it just be outtie Mark getting innie Mark's memories and innie Mark not existing anymore? They had a whole conversation about that and innie Mark never signed off on it, he didn't even back out of anything. People will jump out of high story windows when the building's on fire, doing whatever you can to buy a few more seconds of life isn't abnormal

Also not seeing where people are getting the "Lost" vibe from. Those shows throw random crazy shit at you constantly, while this just slow drips the answers and nothing's been too off the wall. There's still time for this to go full retard, but shows like 12 Monkeys and Mr Robot were far crazier at the same point and both ended up amazing.

Transferring people's minds into others bodies seems to be the obvious place they're going, with bringing Kier's consciousness back as a form of resurrection the most likely end goal.
 
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I dunno, re-integration for me would just mean I remembered going to work. What's the big deal.
 
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I dunno, re-integration for me would just mean I remembered going to work. What's the big deal.
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i/o mark have different tastes in women. outtie mark likes dark meat, inny mark likes really white meat
 
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i/o mark have different tastes in women. outtie mark likes dark meat, inny mark likes really white meat
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"Your outie likes two scoops of ice cream but they have to be the same flavor"

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Well no shit i guess.

(a post I read somewhere else but liked)
 
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They used this department to do that weird fucking dance during Dillons waffle party in season 1.
 
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The whole variety show marching band thing was pretty wtf, but all of you acting like you'd run out a door that will end your existence are full of shit. Even re-integration would sketchy as hell. Wouldn't it just be outtie Mark getting innie Mark's memories and innie Mark not existing anymore? They had a whole conversation about that and innie Mark never signed off on it, he didn't even back out of anything. People will just out of high story windows when the building's on fire, doing whatever you can to buy a few more seconds of life isn't abnormal

Also not seeing where people are getting the "Lost" vibe from. Those shows throw random crazy shit at you constantly, while this just slow drips the answers and nothing's been too off the wall. There's still time for this to go full retard, but shows like 12 Monkeys and Mr Robot were far crazier at the same point and both ended up amazing.

Transferring people's minds into others bodies seems to be the obvious place they're going, with bringing Kier's consciousness back as a form of resurrection the most likely end goal.
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I was kind of thinking of that too. I also think they are looking to sever people dozens of times to make a planet of pliant people.
 
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Ambiturner said:
The whole variety show marching band thing was pretty wtf, but all of you acting like you'd run out a door that will end your existence are full of shit. Even re-integration would sketchy as hell. Wouldn't it just be outtie Mark getting innie Mark's memories and innie Mark not existing anymore? They had a whole conversation about that and innie Mark never signed off on it, he didn't even back out of anything. People will jump out of high story windows when the building's on fire, doing whatever you can to buy a few more seconds of life isn't abnormal

Also not seeing where people are getting the "Lost" vibe from. Those shows throw random crazy shit at you constantly, while this just slow drips the answers and nothing's been too off the wall. There's still time for this to go full retard, but shows like 12 Monkeys and Mr Robot were far crazier at the same point and both ended up amazing.

Transferring people's minds into others bodies seems to be the obvious place they're going, with bringing Kier's consciousness back as a form of resurrection the most likely end goal.
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Enjoying this show a lot and almost done with Season 2.

I see you mentioned 12 Monkeys, I kinda fell off at like season 3 or 4, worth resuming it?
 
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Ambiturner said:
Wouldn't it just be outtie Mark getting innie Mark's memories and innie Mark not existing anymore?
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Without knowing how either severance or reintegration actually works (it was never explained) we can't know this answer.
 
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