Smartphones

The Dauntless One · Mar 21, 2013

Alkorin_sl said:
A is something portable that lets you do remote computing. B is something portable that lets you do remote computing. Both can be useful to perform the same tasks. This comparison is a realistic comparison, depending on how you make use of your A and B. Get your head out of your ass and calm down a bit.

I'm specifically having a hard time with "battery A is summarily different than battery B" (A may be bigger than B, but that's about it) and "SoCs are in the early stages of development" (sure, they aren't as mature as CPUs on a motherboard, but they're by no means new). As with laptops, some smartphones are more battery-efficient than others, sometimes by a considerable amount.

For example (and this took 2 seconds to find):

Longest lasting smartphone batteries:http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11288_7-290-2.html(0 of 20 are HTC)
Shortest lasting smartphone batteries:http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11288_7-290-3.html(5 of 20 are HTC)

HTC list:http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11288_7-290-6.html
Samsung list:http://reviews.cnet.com/2719-11288_7-290-15.html

Some of this is apples vs. oranges, but that's subjective. I use my phone mostly for data. Some people use their phones purely for voice. Some don't use either and just play games/listen to music all day. So, YMMV; in the end, both you and Kedwyn are right.

When you compare battery life in hours, it's immediately apples to oranges. What Ked was trying to insinuate Samsung devices defy physics and use far less power than HTC device. That's not true, as I demonstrated comparing battery life according to their battery size. I also love your comment "A may be bigger than B, but that's about it." The fact that it's bigger meansit will have longer battery life under the same condition. That's why it's apples to oranges.

While SoCs isn't a new technology, the technology wasn't explored until smartphones became a thing. Look at the performance increase in the last 4 years. Now imagine 10+ years. Now you have laptop processors. Again, find me a laptop pre-Sandy Bridge that has incredible battery life. We just haven't gotten the "Sandy Bridge" of SoCs, let alone Ivy Bridge or Haswell.

I'm not even going to touch the laptop to smartphone comparison. You're comparing two completely different technology with the same expectation. I can't even fathom why you think it's a good comparison.

The Dauntless One · Mar 21, 2013

Kedwyn_sl said:
Last post on this, here are my battery stats from yesterday.

IIRC 60% or so Wifi rest on 4g. Bulk of the screen time was Wifi approximately 2 hours via 4g. About an hour streaming music as well with the screen off via 4g. Everything syncing normally.

20-30% off isn't close you retard. The difference is close to what you claim to get in total.

You're still thinking in the absolute values I've given, so you're the retard.

Amzin · Mar 22, 2013

Kedwyn_sl said:
Nexus 4 is solid but I'd go with Samsung S4 or the Note 3 later in the year. You can almost always find an AOSP ROM to flash.

I'm actually leaning towards the Nexus 4 because of the slightly smaller screen at this point. The S4 is 5" compared with 4.7", but even that is 1" more than I had previously and I didn't really feel like I needed a bigger screen. I already have a tablet so Note is mostly lost on me as well.

Alkorin · Mar 22, 2013

The Dauntless One_sl said:
I'm not even going to touch the laptop to smartphone comparison. You're comparing two completely different technology with the same expectation. I can't even fathom why you think it's a good comparison.

I'm not comparing devices. I'm comparing usage profiles. If A can do the same thing B can, for twice the number of hours, sounds like A (smartphone) has a leg up on B (laptop) for that particular purpose, yeah? Step outside the box a little. That's all I'm saying.

Edit: Defying physics is clearly silly, yes, and I'm not arguing that for a second.

Eomer · Mar 22, 2013

Anyone have any experience with the inductive charging for the Nexus 4? Google just sent me an email about it being released. Seems pretty steep at 60 bones. It's not like it's that hard to just plug it in when I'm at my desk at work anyways. The email says estimated charging time of 4 hours, which I have a hard time believing, because even plugged in to USB it's slower than that (much faster with the wall charger).

Gaige · Mar 22, 2013

I like my orb, it's pretty cool.

Deathwing · Mar 22, 2013

What's the wattage on the orb? Usually inductance is pretty efficient. But maybe the circuit on the Nexus 4 is only half rectifying, which would be pretty dumb.

Mageling · Mar 22, 2013

For anyone who wants to keep on top of active development with Android devices, the S4 will likely be a good choice still (assuming you get the Qualcom variant) - There have been issues with every Exenyos powered device since the SGS2, and nothing has ever worked 100% on AOSP ports.

If you're looking for a device to run an AOSP based ROM, the Nexus 4 is likely your best bet, and will receive updates until the quickest, so new features will be baked into ROMs in a working fashion instead of attempting to shoehorn something into a device/ROM that it's really not designed for. By no means am I saying the developers who work on these devices are lacking in talent.

I love my Nexus 4. Are there some things I'd change about it? Possibly, but a really slim fit case has provided me with less worry about the glass back. I may go with just the dbrands skin I have on the back sometime as well. I'll have to upload a photo of it later today.

Captain Suave · Mar 22, 2013

Eomer_sl said:
Anyone have any experience with the inductive charging for the Nexus 4? Google just sent me an email about it being released. Seems pretty steep at 60 bones. It's not like it's that hard to just plug it in when I'm at my desk at work anyways. The email says estimated charging time of 4 hours, which I have a hard time believing, because even plugged in to USB it's slower than that (much faster with the wall charger).

No personal experience, but I've heard mixed reviews. Apparently it doesn't charge well unless the device is absolutely flush against the cradle. Even the extra space occupied by phone cases can cause problems (some low-tolerance 1/r^2 action going on probably). There are also various stories about overheating. For $60 as compared to peanuts for a wall charger/USB cable I'll just plug the thing in.

Wolfen_sl · Mar 22, 2013

HTC has officially announced that the HTC One will be delayed in the US until mid to late April. Bummer.

LiquidDeath · Mar 22, 2013

Eomer_sl said:
Anyone have any experience with the inductive charging for the Nexus 4? Google just sent me an email about it being released. Seems pretty steep at 60 bones. It's not like it's that hard to just plug it in when I'm at my desk at work anyways. The email says estimated charging time of 4 hours, which I have a hard time believing, because even plugged in to USB it's slower than that (much faster with the wall charger).

I have the Verizon branded LG Qi inductive charger and it works fantastically. I love not having to plug my phone in every night. It just sits by my bedside. It beeps when I put it on the charger, but other than that it is as non-invasive as I could hope for. It has made me a convert to wireless charging pads. I like it even better than the Touchstone for my Touchpad.

http://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics...sr_1_2?ie=UTF8

It is OOS on Amazon, but I picked mine up for 59.99 at a local Verizon store.

Flunklesnarkin_sl · Mar 23, 2013

I've been traveling so much lately I finally bought a smart phone. The verizon store was sold out of the galaxy 4 so I got the 3. Now I gotta figure out how to use this thing. The GPS is nice but I can't get my laptops WiFi to work. I have 3 laptops and it figures I'd grab the broke one. Now I won't be home for like 6 months so I wonder if the usb can tie Into the laptop for internet. I might just buy a cheap one because I've been playing classic games lately. I would like to make the internet work on the one I own but my tolerance for tech bs is low right now.

Sorry for wall of text. Oh, does anybody have a suggestion for a decent photo editing app?

Amzin · Mar 23, 2013

There's an app called easytether that I used to use to give my laptop internet via usb from my phone, no idea if it's still updated/works though.

I'm torn on what smartphone to go for... the nexus 4 is really nice but no SD card slot kinda bums me out. The Galaxy S4 isn't out yet and honestly don't want a 5" screen (would rather go for 4.5"-ish). The Razr Maxx/Maxx HD look great but I don't think they're T-Mobile compatible.

LiquidDeath · Mar 24, 2013

Amzin_sl said:
There's an app called easytether that I used to use to give my laptop internet via usb from my phone, no idea if it's still updated/works though.

I'm torn on what smartphone to go for... the nexus 4 is really nice but no SD card slot kinda bums me out. The Galaxy S4 isn't out yet and honestly don't want a 5" screen (would rather go for 4.5"-ish). The Razr Maxx/Maxx HD look great but I don't think they're T-Mobile compatible.

I bought the 16GB Nexus 4 and several months in I've realized I could have gone with the 8GB. I just don't store all that much on my phone. Any documents I need access to are stored on Google Drive and all my pics are uploaded instantly to Google+. That being said, I have a separate iPod for my music in my car and without that I'd have much less space on my phone.

Flunklesnarkin_sl · Mar 24, 2013

I got the USB to work for my laptop. Thanks for the app tip.

I think I found out the problem with my laptops wifi. I reinstalled windows on the laptop a few months ago and I never reinstalled the wireless drivers.

Now I can do some research to see if the plan I signed up for is decent. I started with the 2gb plan but I doubt that will be enough data for me.

Do the phones automatically switch from local WiFi networks to the phones WiFi when needed? That might help me save some of my data limit.

Eomer · Mar 24, 2013

If you have Wifi on, it will use that for data if it's connected to a network, otherwise it'll use your cell data. Personally I don't leave Wifi on with my Nexus 4 as it doubles the battery drain of the phone. I just turn it on when I need it.

Amzin · Mar 24, 2013

LiquidDeath_sl said:
I bought the 16GB Nexus 4 and several months in I've realized I could have gone with the 8GB. I just don't store all that much on my phone. Any documents I need access to are stored on Google Drive and all my pics are uploaded instantly to Google+. That being said, I have a separate iPod for my music in my car and without that I'd have much less space on my phone.

Yea I recently sold my old mp3 player before it totally became worthless, I just had no need for one. I usually had anywhere from 200-1000 songs on my phone, so I could theoretically live without the SD card if I got a 16gb (my Incredible was 8gb internal + 8gb card), it's just a feature I really like having since I use it to transfer and store things sometimes.

Kedwyn · Mar 24, 2013

Xphone from Motorola. Summer'ish.

Flexible display sounds interesting. They can stack as many megapixels as they want it doesn't matter if the sensor sucks.

http://bgr.com/2013/03/11/motorola-x...tm_medium=home

Amzin · Mar 24, 2013

The whole megapixel-stacking is getting stupid. I don't see how these phones even have sensors good enough for quality ~8mp images, much less fucking 16. Most of the new front-facing 2-3mp images are damn near as good as the rear-facing ones just because of sensors.

Edit: Of course, if that's the next "Nexus" style phone, then hell I'd probably get it, excess megapixels or not. Not sure I can wait till summer though, hope more details get out.

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