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I think fabregas will do well in chelsea because they are more dynamic than barca in which he was so lazy and boring because of the way the team plays
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Well it says last 5 transfer windows so yeah, I think most people would understand that. More to question how the squad can be so shit with that type of spending.
As far as Fabregas, Burnley was almost a training exercise for Chelsea today at times. No real pressure on the ball, no compressing of the lines, etc. Until Cesc and Oscar play a full 90 against any of the other top 6 teams then I'm firmly in the camp that Mourinho will go back to his tried and true shit house tactics and they'll be on the bench for Ramires and Mikel.
As far as Fabregas, Burnley was almost a training exercise for Chelsea today at times. No real pressure on the ball, no compressing of the lines, etc. Until Cesc and Oscar play a full 90 against any of the other top 6 teams then I'm firmly in the camp that Mourinho will go back to his tried and true shit house tactics and they'll be on the bench for Ramires and Mikel.
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Pretty much every club which has been in the CL from England bar Arsenal has outspent us in the last 9 years in the transfer market. We have needed key players for at least 5 years now (DM, Wingers, CB). It's nothing new.
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So you're saying that it's understandable the expenditure the last 2 years has looked quite wasteful because the 7 years prior you were outspent by everybody? And when we say everybody we're really talking about Chelsea and ManC. Lets look at this:
30mil Shaw - Potential to be the best LB in the league, right now fat and being called out by Liam Gallagher
30mil Herrera - Looks like a huge overspend but we'll give him the year, also could be said to be in the "potential" pot
30mil Fellaini - Pretty expensive for a mop
20mil Jones - LOL
15mil Smalling - Probably the best deal, just seems to have injury issues.
40mil Mata - Good player, just paid way too much if current form keeps up
20mil RVP - Won the league, well worth it.
Compare it now to LFC the last 2 years, we have our duds but it's not 30-40m pound ones.
30mil Shaw - Potential to be the best LB in the league, right now fat and being called out by Liam Gallagher
30mil Herrera - Looks like a huge overspend but we'll give him the year, also could be said to be in the "potential" pot
30mil Fellaini - Pretty expensive for a mop
20mil Jones - LOL
15mil Smalling - Probably the best deal, just seems to have injury issues.
40mil Mata - Good player, just paid way too much if current form keeps up
20mil RVP - Won the league, well worth it.
Compare it now to LFC the last 2 years, we have our duds but it's not 30-40m pound ones.
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Jesus Christ, you people. "Let me select the exact time period which makes my club look genius, thrifty and chronically underinvested in the transfer market". Every 5 pages, I swear.
The only top club that hasn't blown stupid amounts of money on flops is Arsenal, and that's only because they didn't buy anyone over the age of consent between 2000 and 2013.
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Arsenal is spending good money now though, whether they work out or not is yet to be seen.
As far as ManU vs. LFC spending, I think this has more to do with the fact that a lack of spending is being cited as the reason why ManU may struggle again this year. That seems patently untrue but I guess 100m in fee and wages on Di Maria is going to solve everything
As far as ManU vs. LFC spending, I think this has more to do with the fact that a lack of spending is being cited as the reason why ManU may struggle again this year. That seems patently untrue but I guess 100m in fee and wages on Di Maria is going to solve everything
The image is pretty clear that United have spent poorly, overspent in areas and bought in odd areas.
As for "Net" - consider that United haven't sold anyone above ?6.5m since 2007 (excluding Ronaldo). Buying the likes of Berbatov for ?30m and moving him on for ?5m for example. Class player though, but a strange purchase at the time (last minute deal, dead line day, in an area of the pitch not needing much reinvestment that had Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo).
Mata is a great player, but that ?37m odd spent on an area where they already had brought in Kagawa whilst having 4 strikers to play with, with also Rooney being deployable there as well as Fellaini...
Fellaini, again - decent player (at least for Everton & Belgium), his better position is arguably coming forward to link up play. Spending ?30m when he could have been gotten a week prior for ?25m due to the buy out clause was a total joke, a clear panic buy.
Zaha, the last buy under SAF - a player perhaps good for potential hasn't been seen since given his performances. But they spent ?10m there, an odd area of the pitch to reinvest in given the teams impending defensive exodus.
Shaw - again a similar deal for an 18 year old potential future star/long staying player - to be fair they need a left sided defender but to spend ?30m is strange.
I'm not saying I'm against having Mata or Shaw, but ?60m could maybe have had you 2 defenders and a midfielder.
Strange buys, panic buys, over valued buys... what's going on then? Well, as ever, GLAZERS! But I don't know. SAF was always very mute on the subject. "They let me buy who I want!". "I have the Ronaldo money in the bank!". Please. Now we see the same again from Woodward, who's parroting lines like "?200m warchest", "can afford to break transfer records", etc.
Actually, Van Gaal may be the only man on the planet, in the right place, to call them out if the club is just intent in throwing money around in the wrong areas and not pursuing the targets HE's interested in.
Saying that, we have almost confirmation about the defender Rojo (played well for Argentina in the World Cup) - at a decent price (?15m?). Oh well, 1 down, another 4 at least to go before the weeks up. Come in, top that fucking picture on spending!
As for "Net" - consider that United haven't sold anyone above ?6.5m since 2007 (excluding Ronaldo). Buying the likes of Berbatov for ?30m and moving him on for ?5m for example. Class player though, but a strange purchase at the time (last minute deal, dead line day, in an area of the pitch not needing much reinvestment that had Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo).
Mata is a great player, but that ?37m odd spent on an area where they already had brought in Kagawa whilst having 4 strikers to play with, with also Rooney being deployable there as well as Fellaini...
Fellaini, again - decent player (at least for Everton & Belgium), his better position is arguably coming forward to link up play. Spending ?30m when he could have been gotten a week prior for ?25m due to the buy out clause was a total joke, a clear panic buy.
Zaha, the last buy under SAF - a player perhaps good for potential hasn't been seen since given his performances. But they spent ?10m there, an odd area of the pitch to reinvest in given the teams impending defensive exodus.
Shaw - again a similar deal for an 18 year old potential future star/long staying player - to be fair they need a left sided defender but to spend ?30m is strange.
I'm not saying I'm against having Mata or Shaw, but ?60m could maybe have had you 2 defenders and a midfielder.
Strange buys, panic buys, over valued buys... what's going on then? Well, as ever, GLAZERS! But I don't know. SAF was always very mute on the subject. "They let me buy who I want!". "I have the Ronaldo money in the bank!". Please. Now we see the same again from Woodward, who's parroting lines like "?200m warchest", "can afford to break transfer records", etc.
Actually, Van Gaal may be the only man on the planet, in the right place, to call them out if the club is just intent in throwing money around in the wrong areas and not pursuing the targets HE's interested in.
Saying that, we have almost confirmation about the defender Rojo (played well for Argentina in the World Cup) - at a decent price (?15m?). Oh well, 1 down, another 4 at least to go before the weeks up. Come in, top that fucking picture on spending!
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Like the 60 mil you spent on andy carroll solved all your problemsArsenal is spending good money now though, whether they work out or not is yet to be seen.
As far as ManU vs. LFC spending, I think this has more to do with the fact that a lack of spending is being cited as the reason why ManU may struggle again this year. That seems patently untrue but I guess 100m in fee and wages on Di Maria is going to solve everything
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Where are you getting that analysis from?
The only thing the image provides is the net spend of the clubs for the last 5 windows. There are no other facts, figures or analysis provided. You are pulling that analysis out yer arse, like usual.
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But who is blaming the waste on Carroll as the reason LFC isn't competing? That doesn't even go along with what we're talking about other than pointing out that LFC wasted money at some point which surprise, it happens to all teams. Just MUFC seem to have that for almost all of their deals right now. Are you converting pounds to dollars for us? He was 35m pounds.Like the 60 mil you spent on andy carroll solved all your problems
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Yes he was, I was just pointing out how silly it is to quote a transfer fee with 5+ year contracts worth of pay in as well, LOL DI MARIA 100MIL etc. United had a bad season with a poor squad with a dreadful Manager, no one expected to finish 7th, but everyone expected top 4 at least. We now have an even weaker Squad after the summer departures and a big list of injurys on top, however we do now have a competent manager at least.
Pre season was a breath of fresh air as the squad was playing some decent football, hell there was even one touch football a few times which I cant remember seeing since before Ronaldo left. Fergie was always hit and miss in the transfer market, the no value thing screwed us out of a whole host of top players including Ronandinho (who was due to sign but they wanted 2mil more so we pulled out). Financially the team is in a superb position, however the lack of investment in key areas of the squad (due to glazers penny pinching or woodward incompetence or both) has given us an incredibly weak side.
We have purchased some decent players, aside from Fellaini, however they aren't the players we needed. I don't see how Shaw or Herrera are a waste of money, Mata and Fellaini were, we didn't need Mata and Fellaini is just shit. Di Maria would be a good signing as he is a fantastic player, however again its a player we don't really need if we go with the 3/5/2. As a winger though the improvement over Valencia and Young is off the charts, had we not fucked around and signed Vidal and Benatia then we would be in a much stronger position.
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You just won the league 2 years ago and the squad was good enough up until that point to where you only need to add 1 or 2 players a year until all the old players had to be phased out. Whether it was Whiskeynose not caring because he knew he was about to be done or mismanagement by the club that is the biggest issue, planing for the next phase of the club. In the past Ferguson had no problem buying from lower level Prem teams to go with more expensive European or South American players. Valencia was an excellent signing for his first couple of years and you got him from Wigan. But the thought of doing that now seems anathema to the club and fans, you have to sign the best players no matter their fit or cost instead of what's best for the club.
Shaw I already said may be good value for the money but he won't be this year. Herrera is about to turn 26 and has no Spain caps, not that that's bad on it's own as that's an incredible midfield to break into. Just you could have gotten Schneiderlin or similar for a 1/3rd of the cost and he probably would help the team as much and possibly more.
Shaw I already said may be good value for the money but he won't be this year. Herrera is about to turn 26 and has no Spain caps, not that that's bad on it's own as that's an incredible midfield to break into. Just you could have gotten Schneiderlin or similar for a 1/3rd of the cost and he probably would help the team as much and possibly more.
Manc fans are planning a protest against the Glazers. Last year it was Moyes fault, this year it's the Glazers.
The thing is this - for the last half a decade Ferguson intimidating referees was good for a dozen points a season. Now they are finding their level and their fans are in denial. They need to get used to it - this will go on for years once the squad has so many holes in it and so much money has been poorly spent.
As an aside that City expenditure in the picture above is bollocks. They spent that in one window last summer alone.
The thing is this - for the last half a decade Ferguson intimidating referees was good for a dozen points a season. Now they are finding their level and their fans are in denial. They need to get used to it - this will go on for years once the squad has so many holes in it and so much money has been poorly spent.
As an aside that City expenditure in the picture above is bollocks. They spent that in one window last summer alone.
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Yep, my bad.
Flight, the graphic is NET spend not GROSS. ManC has outspent ManU in the past 5 windows, just they also had some sales whereas ManU hasn't sold anybody worth anything since Ronaldo.