Sports writer kills himself, leaves behind website describing how and why

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Devastation how? I measure devastation in human suffering. Which is lower. Granted, I will take into account diminishing biodiversity, climate change and other factors as net negatives to us in the future--but if you're asking if I think those things are worth giving up the modern era for? No. And that's what it comes down to. Are the negatives worth the positives, and I unequivocally think they are. I think human suffering today, on a grand scale (And relative for population growth) is far less. If in 20 years rising shore lines has made this statement false, I will retract it, but thus far? Absolutely I'd say were not even half as bad a how brutalan empire like Rome was, or even some local lord and what they did to their populations. And I pointed out emperors and what not, but in general, the elite in those societies? Just as bad. They just had a little less reach.



And yet, Capitalism is far more restrained now in it's exploitation than it was then. So, in some ways, the ability for Capitalism to disenfranchise has continually diminished. Now, you can make a case for social mobility diminishing due to various legislative changes in the U.S., and you'd be correct if your comparison window was within the last60 years, or so. But overall, it's still on an uptrend--don't forget, we're still only 100 years removed from situations where entire towns were essentially enslaved through rental/work practices. What we are seeing now is some constriction on the last round of higher attempted social mobility (Social Security ect). Will we continue dive or will we bounce back? I'm not sure. It's like I said above with possible climate change, it's really going to depend how the next few decades pan out. If people hit rock bottom and a new wave of change sweeps through the country and brings about a second new deal? This era will look like the 30's did to to us, and then we can all say Capitalism continued it's social expansion.

Of course, Marx would say Capitalism just continued it's march toward socialism. Don't forget, Marx did predict a lot of this. He knew Capitalism would lead to the adoption of higher social equality as production rose. This is all just a process. However, we, as humans, tend to view things with a very relativistic lens. But in economics, when discussing the failures or success of broad systems, we really need to take a look at the big picture--and that means we can't just draw comparisons to the superior social mobility of one generation. We need to look at all the time since Capitalism's inception--and from the lens, we really aren't doing too bad (Again, especially compared to all the systems that came before.)





I never stated Capitalism was the final step--I don't believe that, either. In fact, I went out of my way to point that out multiple times.But, I think it's the mostappropriatestep for where we are right now. I think we're going to see a lot of evolutions in Capitalism and Democracies until we see the third world join the first world. Once that happens, I think Capitalism will be outdated and possibly replaced. But that's going to take some leaps in production, which luckily we have coming that's to machines and computers. However, this is all conjecture--I mean, I can make a good case for it, but I have no proof that it will work. (Even soft science proof).

So here's the question. How do youknowwe can do better rightnow? We havenoproof that we can. Every attempting inception of a superior system has met with utter failure. And don't get me wrong, I understand saying "Russia was communism" is laughable...but one thing Russia was, was an attempt to spring vault past Capitalism. And it did show, very clearly, why even Marx said Capitalism was an essential step in the process. But as of now? The most successful systems of providing for people, lowering human suffering and increasing the quality of life?AllCapitalist. The Scandinavian countries might have more socialist leanings, but make no mistake, they are Capitalists.

Which is why I ask where the confidence comes from. Frankly, right now, there is no superior system if you take into account all the variables. You can say it seems like having more socialist elements is superior, and point to Europe, but that doesn't change what the base system is (Brown coffee is still coffee, even if it's less bitter.) Is Capitalism being abused? Yes. Does it need to be fixed? Yes, but the history of the economic system has shown that it's adaptable, and given that massive success has been had with alteration of capitalism, and massive failures have been had with it's replacement, I tend to think we're going to be seeing large alterations in Capitalist economies to more refined, controlled forms of Capitalism.

Ultimately, I do think one day, when production hits an obscene surplus, and there is another contriction on social mobility, you'll see an eventual replacement of Capitalism. I don't feel Capitalism lends itself well to a "near" post scarcity society. And we are seeing some elements of that today (With the growth of synthetic markets in lieu of continued growth in actual markets). It can become cancerous in this situation. But we are a good clip off from that situation at the moment. Claiming "Capitalism is obsolete" is just not taking into account all those variables. It's better to say certain aspects of Capitalism are obsolete and will need adoption of socialist systems in their place. But the whole system? Nope.

TLDR: You're being too ivory tower, and not paying attention to real world failures. Yes, those real world failures might not have implemented the "theory" correctly, but that's part of a theories draw back--real world variables affect it in irrational ways because humans can be self serving and irrational. No one doubts one day, we'll reach what you think we are at right now--but I disagree we are there now. I don't think we will see it in our lifetimes, but maybe our children's children will.
Frankly, the light bulb that has been burning for over a hundred years is proof enough to me that we can do better. We have brilliant minds who can, and in many cases have, solved many significant problems we face as a species today. But we are literally being held back by the need to maximize monetary profit above all else. If we can recognize this (and we can) then we can fix it. Can we minimize the abuse that is currently taking place? Then let's fucking do it. Do you want to call the next iteration "capitalism v1.x"? Fine. Yay, capitalism. All I'm saying is let's stop using "capitalism" as an iron shield to defend the horiffic abuses taking place today.
 

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Bring on my immortal robot body. To have a simulation as powerful as the Matrix will be amazing, can you even imagine that? We can grow the most efficient food/land crops, and not care if people like them, because you can plug in at a restaurant and eat a huge, perfectly cooked steak, while adequate calories for height and weight are delivered to you (No more fat people, stuff your face! It's all virtual!). People can have one room apartments with just a bathroom, because when you come home, you can plug in and be living in a mansion. (If you even need to go to work, that is.)

Just thinking about a post-singularity society is crazy. Howdifferentwe can be. What happens when everyone can live like a king? What happens when mush can be a steak, or a single apartment a mansion? Crazy just thinking about it.
 

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Bring on my immortal robot body. To have a simulation as powerful as the Matrix will be amazing, can you even imagine that? We can grow the most efficient food/land crops, and not care if people like them, because you can plug in at a restaurant and eat a huge, perfectly cooked steak, while adequate calories for height and weight are delivered to you (No more fat people, stuff your face! It's all virtual!). People can have one room apartments with just a bathroom, because when you come home, you can plug in and be living in a mansion. (If you even need to go to work, that is.)

Just thinking about a post-singularity society is crazy. Howdifferentwe can be. What happens when everyone can live like a king? What happens when mush can be a steak, or a single apartment a mansion? Crazy just thinking about it.
But that's all manufactured experience so you're not allowed to do that because otherwise it'll make you depressed and suicidal, because you'll be living counter to what it means to be human.

See, this is how I see the world, that the unification of man and his tools will be the logical end result of our evolutionary path, not because of destiny or predetermination, but just by mere fortune.
 

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Didn't you guys learnanythingfrom the Matrix? That vision sounds absolutely terrifying. Give me Star Trek's future please, thanks.
 

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Classic Star Trek future is a loljoke of epic proportions.

The Matrix is predicated on a divide between humans and their machines, but in the Singularity, we and our machines are one united entity.
 

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Classic Star Trek future is a loljoke of epic proportions.

The Matrix is predicated on a divide between humans and their machines, but in the Singularity, we and our machines are one united entity.
Classic Star Trek is post-singularity, it is just the universe according to Kirk. Why do you think he is constantly banging hot alien chicks all the time? I mean, that is certainly what I plan to do in a Matrix world controlled by myself.
 

Dumar_sl

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Classic Star Trek future is a loljoke of epic proportions.

The Matrix is predicated on a divide between humans and their machines, but in the Singularity, we and our machines are one united entity.
Lol, if we're to be cyborgs, let's hope Shadowrun is in our future. I no longer wonder at your lack of understanding of what it means to be human. In yourrigorousstudy of the human condition, you unfortunately forgot to study the condition of being human.
 

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Lol, if we're to be cyborgs, let's hope Shadowrun is in our future. I no longer wonder at your lack of understanding of what it means to be human. In yourrigorousstudy of the human condition, you unfortunately forgot to study the condition of being human.
The primary condition of being human is constantly adapting to our rapidly changing environmental conditions.

Sorry you seemed to have missed that. That's what you get for disregarding all modern research though.

200,000 years ago, people like you were warning us away from fire because it would cause them to lose that special something that made them human: Being cold as balls all night.
 

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By Dumar's logic, Stephen Hawking isn't a real human being anymore.
 

hodj

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Robots are people, too, Dumar. Why are you so robophobic?

Are a robots feelings any less real for being synthetic? I say nay. Robots deserve as much respect and compassion as the next person. The Robot and Robosexual and Transrobot movements will not be stopped by base prejudice and outdated fears and worldviews that reject our humanity.
 

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Didn't you guys learnanythingfrom the Matrix? That vision sounds absolutely terrifying. Give me Star Trek's future please, thanks.


I learned that in the Matrix you can have juicy steaks, with warm beds and nice houses, while also being martial arts ninjas. Outside the matrix you live in a dank cave and eat gruel but you're "free" (To live a shitty life and die by a machine anally raping you with a metal tentacle.).
 

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If the matrix is so great why does he insist so vehemently toremember nothingabout being unplugged? He knows that if he remembers the mental state of being unplugged he will be incapable of enjoying the manufactured utopia when plugged back in.
 

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alternate theory:

It might have something to do with the prospect of life amounting to eating gruel and existing in an environment where are confronted with the prospect to "die by a machine anally raping you with a metal tentacle", he just didn't like the alternative environment, if his perception of his alternative environment wasn't so abhorrent he wouldn't have objected to remembering it.

Notice that the other free people on the ship like mouse would escape their current reality by going into the matrix to do things and experience things they couldn't in the real world.
 

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Nah I think he was implying that his time outside the Matrix was so awful he didn't want to have to remember all the drudgery, eating lumpy oatmeal and talking to that annoying kid about how the oatmeal really tastes like chicken.

Dude was just sick of all the drama and wanted to get away from it all once and for all.
 

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but hodj, wouldn't you want to forget about the "real" world? Can you truly enjoy "the matrix" with the knowledge that "real" world exists? Tough risk.