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Flunklesnarkin_sl

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A little over halfway through season 2 of TNG. Decided to go back and watch the dvd extra features on casting / writing / vision for the season 1 disc.

Roddenberry was going on about how Paramount wanted the entire crew to be basically space cadets who find themselves in charge of the Enterprise and he was all fuck you lol.

It seems like JJ Abrams is going that route with his films. Great for action. Although, I can't see a crew full of all young actors pulling off deeper plot lines. Hopefully, if they do make a tv show after the films, they cast a more mixed group of actors. It'd also probably be cheaper than hiring the actors from the films lol. Movie actors always want to be paid more than tv actors ;p


Well onward with season 2.
 
Frenzied Wombat

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Just wondering if I'm the only one that feels that the two space combat scenes between the Enterprise and Reliant in ST:2 are the best starship combat scenes ever filmed? Not just the music, intensity, and anxiety where they hunted each other-- but also the special effects? Once Star Trek moved to CGI and stopped using models, I felt it really lost a lot of realism. The scene in particular where the Reliant catches the Enterprise by surprise, ripping into its underbelly/engineering area with phaser fire. Or the scene in the nebula when the Enterprise blows the Reliant's nacelle clean off. Even the phaser fire pattern and sound effects had a malevolent appeal. There's a level of brutal violence/realism that I feel was lost once they moved to pure computer based animation.

Maybe it's just pure nostalgia, but I can watch those few scenes over and over and they never lose their gritty appeal
 
Palum

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Just wondering if I'm the only one that feels that the two space combat scenes between the Enterprise and Reliant in ST:2 are the best starship combat scenes ever filmed? Not just the music, intensity, and anxiety where they hunted each other-- but also the special effects? Once Star Trek moved to CGI and stopped using models, I felt it really lost a lot of realism. The scene in particular where the Reliant catches the Enterprise by surprise, ripping into its underbelly/engineering area with phaser fire. Or the scene in the nebula when the Enterprise blows the Reliant's nacelle clean off. Even the phaser fire pattern and sound effects had a malevolent appeal. There's a level of brutal violence/realism that I feel was lost once they moved to pure computer based animation.

Maybe it's just pure nostalgia, but I can watch those few scenes over and over and they never lose their gritty appeal
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Because they went from submarine warfare to aerial combat in every movie after that. Tension and methodical hunting turned into pew pew. It's more 'exciting' visually but less interesting, generally speaking.
 
nuday

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:
Conversely, I'm probably the only one that thinks TNG was the cheesiest series of them all-- striving so hard to be politically correct. The geriatric captain, the blind black guy, the female bridge psychologist, and the android that wants to be human. Can you get any gayer? Every time it was a holodeck episode, or data finding his emotions, or *rage* a Sherlock Holmes episode I swear I wanted to scream. Half the episodes had almost zero action and felt like a freaking space opera. And Picard was a pussy. At least Kirk, Sisko, and Archer wouldn't sit there getting their ship shot to shit while pleading for negotiations. Kirk was fire phasers, bang the alien princess, then warp fucking 9 out of there before the wet spot even had a chance to dry. Now that's a captain.

If I had to rate them in order:

The Original Series
DS9- Dominion wars onward
Enterprise- FU, I liked it. Lots of action and T'pol made my 'nads ache. Did feel the intro song sounded totally out of place.
Voyager- Felt like true exploration again. The doctor was the best Star Trek character ever created and 7 of 9 was excellent and allowed for some great stories. Would be 2nd place if not for fucking Janeway.
The Gay Generation: Boring, hokey. Please someone stuff a sock in Troi's mouth and tell Data to stop trying to rip off the Wizard of Oz. Saved only by the fact that Patrick Stewart could actually act
DS9- pre Dominion wars- snooore. General Hospital in space
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I read someplace once that the network refused to allow a lot of stuff happen on screen. There were supposed to be some same-sex couples and things like that, but the network refused to allow it. It's possible that TNG wasn't initially as PC as it ended up being.
 
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Flunklesnarkin_sl

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Finished season 2 TNG and wow, the season finale was terribad. They could have never aired that episode and I think the season would have been better as a whole.

I'm also not sure why they switched out Doctor Crusher with Doctor Pulaski for season 2.
 
iannis

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Flunklesnarkin_sl said:
Finished season 2 TNG and wow, the season finale was terribad. They could have never aired that episode and I think the season would have been better as a whole.

I'm also not sure why they switched out Doctor Crusher with Doctor Pulaski for season 2.
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She had to leave for some reason or another. I think she might have had a kid and maternity leave / they didn't want to show her preggers in spandex.

Edit: Or maybe they were retarded and trying to reprise Bones McCoy. I don't really remember. I think it was the kid thing though.
 
spronk

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at a convention gates mcfadden said she wanted more control over her character, the producers said no and roddenberry/team wasn't happy with the way she was playing the character, and so she left. During the year Pulaski was on, there was a writers strike, so her storylines were bad (plus imo the actress was not a good fit). The fans made a big stink, and Rick Berman lobbied hard for Crusher to come back. They had Patrick Stewart call her with a big raise to get her back.

Rumor also was that a producer was hitting on her (CRUSHING HER, HAHAHA GET IT....), and one of her conditions was that dude gets fired. Which he was.

Same story with Babylon 5, apparently the original commander guy was hitting on the original telepathic chick (the blonde), who was married to garibaldi (!). At the end of season 1 garibaldi said its him or me, and the cmdr guy was apparently a huge douche otherwise so they shitcanned him and brought in Bruce Boxwhatever. Later on the original commander returns for a cameo, but you'll notice him and garibaldi are actually never on screen together, they communicate solely via screens which was bizarre for two characters who are supposed to be best friends, but makes more sense when you think about RL tensions. And now the dude who plays Garibaldi is a right wing radio talk show host.
 
Tarrant

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Eh, I wouldn't just lump him into a "right wing" group, he's pretty close o down the middle with leaning a bit to the right. I've listened to him a few times and while he is conservative he's more like a Jason Lewis then he is compared to Rush. I've heard the guy endorse democrats before.
 
Shonuff

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Tarrant_sl said:
The biggest plot hole issue I had with Trek came from something said in TNG and then Voyager crapping all over it.

In TNG Q said and admitted the reason the Q were facinated with Humanity was because at some point they would evolve past the Q.

Then in Voyager Tom Paris uses a warp engine that takes him to warp 10 and it ends up evolving him into some sord of 4 foot lizard that looks like a komodo dragon.

To this day it's my single biggest annoyance with Voyager...on a long list of course.
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His future self was an just him in an alternate reality, wash the sand from your vagina.
 
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Flunklesnarkin_sl

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spronk_sl said:
Same story with Babylon 5, apparently the original commander guy was hitting on the original telepathic chick (the blonde), who was married to garibaldi (!). At the end of season 1 garibaldi said its him or me, and the cmdr guy was apparently a huge douche otherwise so they shitcanned him and brought in Bruce Boxwhatever. Later on the original commander returns for a cameo, but you'll notice him and garibaldi are actually never on screen together, they communicate solely via screens which was bizarre for two characters who are supposed to be best friends, but makes more sense when you think about RL tensions. And now the dude who plays Garibaldi is a right wing radio talk show host.
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I assumed he was fired because he seemed awkward in the role. Didn't really feel like he belonged there.
 
Shonuff

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Tarrant_sl said:
Yep, clearly it's just me when it's been voted the worst episode in all of trek....I'm the one who has issues.

You got me.

Also, no.
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LOL, I didn't know this, I liked that ep, just watched it last month for the first time.
 
lurkingdirk

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I think the first four series have at least a couple of equivalent characters, do you think there are others that follow this formula

Spock Data Bashir Tuvoc (oddly smart/logical)
all the female characters Troi Dax Seven (add tits and ass to the show)

Others?
 
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