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Xenrauk

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Imagine having a scifi show set hundreds of years in the future where the story possibilities are endless and just takes some imagination... only to write another fucking shitty and lazy time travel plot to come back to present time to try and push their bullshit again... Fuck these jackasses ruining trek.
 
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shabushabu

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Just terribad . I thought season 1 was a fun ride , It felt like Star Trek this is just , wtf ? They are off the reservation.
 
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Cybsled

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Time Travel is core to Trek. They've done it in virtually every single Trek (including TOS) and in multiple Trek movies (ST4 and First Contact).

Complaining about Star Trek involving time travel is an odd complaint since they've always done it. And they have always used it for making some comments on our society.
 
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Xenrauk

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My complaint isn't about using time travel, even though I think they've over using it now, it's about how they used it. Discovery time travel was used to send them in the future and into a time period that they could create new stories where none had been told before. If I wanted to fucking see Ice police bad! orange man bad! don't vote for him in 2024! I'd just switch on the news and hear them cry about it for the millionth time, not Star Trek. So once again, fuck these jackasses for ruining trek.
 
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Cybsled

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But they've done that before, though

Deep Space 9 spent like 2 episodes in 2024 that dealt with similar issues (society basically throwing all the undocumented people and insane people and homeless into "sanctuary districts" and then effectively just leaving them there in increasingly overcrowded and underfunded ghettos), and that was back in the 90s.
 

Grizzlebeard

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Someone mentioned it before. The problem isn’t so much that they lazily re-used mirror universe/time travel again but that they do it for a whole series. Star Trek was awesome in part because we had a new story every week.

Mirror universe storylines are canon for a one or two episode run but an entire series around the same premise is really hard to not roll your eyes at. Hell, Discovery has managed to do two seasons of this shit.
 
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Malakriss

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Voyager only had twelve 2-part episodes, the rest were singles. While they averaged more temporal anomalies per season than any other they did their thing and moved on to the next story.

Doing a full continuity for a season or the whole series requires good writing, and the new shows never had it.
 
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j00t

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i never really liked voyager despite being a huge trekkie during that time period. i always thought that it was stupid that there was no through line from episode to episode. if the enterprise gets damaged in one episode, you can infer that they went to a space dock for repairs in between episodes but voyager wouldn't have access to that. no matter what happened at the end of an episode, voyager always looked pristine in the next episode. my friends and i used to talk about how cool it would be if the ship gradually degraded over time and they had to adapt resources they found to fix the hull or replace weapons or even certain decks.

and the ship's visuals would represent how the crew's behavior would change too. a lot of the behavior and morality of starfleet comes from living in a utopia. how much of that changes when the replicators stop working, when basic medical supplies run low, when you can't just press a button and get a clean uniform. the ship wasn't designed to function without basic things like that and it could have been really interesting to see if/when the crew started breaking down too. the over-arching message could still have been one of hope, if at the end they were still able to adapt and thrive on the ingenuity of starfleet training and whatnot... i don't know, maybe that wouldn't have been a very "trek" show, but i would have enjoyed it significantly more than what we got.

oh... to get back on topic... i hate this show.
 

Arbitrary

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i never really liked voyager despite being a huge trekkie during that time period. i always thought that it was stupid that there was no through line from episode to episode. if the enterprise gets damaged in one episode, you can infer that they went to a space dock for repairs in between episodes but voyager wouldn't have access to that. no matter what happened at the end of an episode, voyager always looked pristine in the next episode. my friends and i used to talk about how cool it would be if the ship gradually degraded over time and they had to adapt resources they found to fix the hull or replace weapons or even certain decks.

and the ship's visuals would represent how the crew's behavior would change too. a lot of the behavior and morality of starfleet comes from living in a utopia. how much of that changes when the replicators stop working, when basic medical supplies run low, when you can't just press a button and get a clean uniform. the ship wasn't designed to function without basic things like that and it could have been really interesting to see if/when the crew started breaking down too. the over-arching message could still have been one of hope, if at the end they were still able to adapt and thrive on the ingenuity of starfleet training and whatnot... i don't know, maybe that wouldn't have been a very "trek" show, but i would have enjoyed it significantly more than what we got.

oh... to get back on topic... i hate this show.

Voyager aggressively hit the reset button from episode to episode both in terms of ignoring damage to the ship, limited resources, information gained and (perhaps worst of all) character development. That show doesn't even get through the first half of season one before we get a "will they get home" story where there's no tension and will never be tension any time the show tells that kind of story because we know they aren't getting home. The first couple of seasons are all saddled with generic TV writing and related tropes.

You know how the people behind DS9 saw how cool Garak was and decided to make him a recurring character? How they managed to scoop up Nog and tell some very decent stories with what was basically just Jake's Friend? How he had an arc throughout the show? They kill off Weyun and then realize hey, that character is awesome. Let's find a way to bring him back. Voyager never recognizes its opportunities. Ever. The only person on Voyager who grows throughout the series is the Doctor. Seven gets a bunch of "Seven Learns a Lesson" stories but she doesn't really grow much. They tease with her ditching the last of her implants and then just don't. They set up a love interest at the very end of the series and that dies a death. Meh.

I like the show in general but holy shit does it have major problems.
 
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RobXIII

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Time Travel is core to Trek. They've done it in virtually every single Trek (including TOS) and in multiple Trek movies (ST4 and First Contact).

Complaining about Star Trek involving time travel is an odd complaint since they've always done it. And they have always used it for making some comments on our society.

To have it take up a whole season though, just feels bad. I want to 'go where no man(sexist lol) has gone before', not present day but shittier. I enjoyed Orville more than any of the current Trek garbage, and I looked forward to seeing new things every week, but hated the time travel re-writes there as well.
 
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Chris

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There's nothing wrong with an extended mirror universe storyline covering part of a season, it was the best part of Discovery Season 1.

You just can't keep repeating it.

Also I think the mirror universe works best when you have well developed characters to subvert, which the woke shows don't have.
 

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Arbitrary

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I agree, very much a wasted opportunity.

Given how many episodes where her implants or nanoprobes are modified to save to the day they were probably afraid if they did that they'd have nothing else to work with.

In place of character development how about some fully clothed spooning with a holographic Chakotay? Put a little vanilla on your vanilla. What a bizarre episode that was.
 

shabushabu

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Time Travel is core to Trek. They've done it in virtually every single Trek (including TOS) and in multiple Trek movies (ST4 and First Contact).

Complaining about Star Trek involving time travel is an odd complaint since they've always done it. And they have always used it for making some comments on our society.
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Season ? Come on man. How much time travel was there in next generation, ds9 and voyager ? I watch Star Trek for space , not present day it’s terrible.
 
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Cynical

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So Biden really fucked up America bad according to this show, am I getting that right?
 
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Cybsled

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Kind of a sleepy episode. Biggest take aways are something is in fact wrong with Q, Laris might not be a Romulan, and hiring a new actor is cheaper than de-aging Whoopi Goldberg
 
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