Star Trek: Picard

Arbitrary said:

Back in the day when you got your cash grab it was shit like Return to Mayberry, Return to Gilligan's Island, etc. You got everyone back, you went over some of the same beats, no new ground was broken but in the end everyone got what they were looking for. That's all I wanted with this. I just wanted some optimistic Roddenberry vision and Jean Luc Picard fixing some problems with smarts and words. If it does well you can look at maybe going forward. The New Leave it to Beaver ran for four fucking seasons. Four! FOUR SEASONS OF THE NEW LEAVE IT BEAVER.

"But what if we drew immediate parallels to contemporary politics" is just so fucking uninteresting. You know that shit you're drowning in day to day? Well we've got more of it.

I'm starting to understand why The Brady Bunch never talked about 'Nam. It's all ANYONE is talking about. Let's talk about Hawaiian death curses instead.

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I could have lived the rest of my life without knowing that Jean-luc Picard has TDS.

When I'm emperor of Hollywood I'm going to ret-con the Romulans to be 'Slaves to Muhammad' just to embarrass this one show.

AngryGerbil said:

I could have lived the rest of my life without knowing that Jean-luc Picard has TDS.

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Fox News still exists in the 24th century.

Arbitrary said:

Fox News still exists in the 24th century.

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And CNN has control of the intergalactic Navy.

AngryGerbil said:

Watch more RLM.

Strike that. Watch ALL of RLM. Every single video they have ever posted on YouTube.

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ain't nobody got time for that.
I watched that one because someone posted and it helps sometimes to read/watch a review if something about a show doesn't sit right, to put it into words.

chaos said:

ain't nobody got time for that.

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You barely even have to watch RLM. Sometimes it's helpful but most of the time, on your way to work for example, you can just listen.

A life without RLM is like a life without sunshine. Or perspective.

What I meant to say, chaos, is that Picard is an absolutely wonderful show that you should watch because the things that it talks about and concerns itself with are only on the internet.

Chukzombi said:

the RLM guys said that any sun going supernova would take hundreds of millions of years upon detection to actual kaboom. so yeah, Abrams

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The RLM guy's grasp of science is only marginally better than Abrams lol

AngryGerbil said:

What I meant to say, chaos, is that Picard is an absolutely wonderful show that you should watch because the things that it talks about and concerns itself with are only on the internet.

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The first episode wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. Like they said in that review, it's the first 10minutesof a movie. If the show doesn't drastically change over the next few episodes, it will suck balls.

Cybsled said:

The RLM guy's grasp of science is only marginally better than Abrams lol

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RLM (Rich and Mike to be specific) fucked up the Nova/SuperNova thing. They tend to know more than the average bear about most things but they did get this part wrong to my knowledge.

The yellow Sun would go Red Giant and slowly consume the Romulan home world over the course of tens of millions of years and thus negate the plot of this show.

Then it would slowly collapse into a white dwarf whilst emitting energy into the surrounding area and creating a regular Nova. And that's it. It's slow and spectacular, but not a thing that a single biological life form can ever hope to be able to react to.

Supernovas on the other hand are hard explosions that only happen with stars that are much more massive than a regular yellow star (like the ones that center Earth and Romulus) but when they DO happen, they are sudden and instantaneous events that are among the most powerful things in the known universe and no number of Starfleet Dunkirk Ships could ever hope to do anything about it.... thus negating the plot of this show.

But we have to hamfistedley save the refugees of this Supernova even though those same Romulans have been working to destroy us for at least a century if not more. They hate everything we stand for and will only seek to establish primitive Romulan culture inside of The Federation...


....but nevermind all that shit. They will 'breathe the free air of Paris' and suddenly convert to Federationalism and StarFleetism. No Romulans will EVER seek to kill a bunch of Federation civilians while they attend a simple music concert.

Picard is now an SJW cuckfaggot who hates his own culture. Fuck Hollywood for turning him into this.

Please God give me the levers and control panels of Hollywood. Make me into a Goebbels-of-Good.

I will un-retcon every movie and show that has already been retconned into SJW oblivion. And I won't even rape anyone in the process.

spronk said:

the twin thing was stupid as hell and hope its explained a bit more, they just hand waved that shit away like its supposed to make ANY sense at all

also whil wheaton hosts one of those "post show" talks and its on CBS Access so its all official and shit i guess. his face triggers me

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Well after watching this I fear where this series is headed. Let's see, showrunner Michael Chabon.


"Chabon's work is characterized by complex language, the frequent use of metaphor[7] along with recurring themes, including nostalgia,[7] divorce, abandonment, fatherhood, and most notably issues of Jewish identity.[3][8] He often includes gay, bisexual, and Jewish characters in his work.[3][9] Since the late 1990s, Chabon has written in an increasingly diverse series of styles for varied outlets; he is a notable defender of the merits of genre fiction and plot-driven fiction, and, along with novels, he has published screenplays, children's books, comics, and newspaper serials. "

Yeah, this dude seems qualified to run a Star Trek series.

Alright lets go read up on Patrick Stewarts contribution to the new show. This outta be good!

“The Next Generation” presented a humanist future in which issues like poverty, race and class have long been sorted out, and conflicts are more often resolved through negotiation and problem-solving than at the point of a phaser pistol.

Stewart had no desire to go there again.

“I think what we’re trying to say is important,” he says. “The world of ‘Next Generation’ doesn’t exist anymore. It’s different. Nothing is really safe. Nothing is really secure.”

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Roddenberry believed that in the future, human beings would advance to the point that they would, essentially, not have conflict with one another. Their biggest challenges would be external.

Stewart, also an exec producer on “Picard,” insists, “We are remaining very faithful to Gene Roddenberry’s notion of what the future might be like.” But rigid adherence to that notion is clearly not what he’s here for.

“In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected,” he says. “It was the Enterprise. It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun.” In “Picard,” the Federation — a union of planets bonded by shared democratic values — has taken an isolationist turn. The new show, Stewart says, “was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”

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I didn't realize Patrick Stewart input should be so important on crafting science fiction in a universe Gene Roddenberry created. If they couldn't do a series without him destroying the setting then they should have left it alone.

Discovery is absolute trash and while I didn't hate the first episode of Picard it really says a lot that they feel they need to go away from Roddenberry's ideals and have the Federation regress several hundred years so they can reeee about current times. (instead of you know, finding new civilizations that that have these ancient problems still and thats how you fucking tell the story)

I'll give this another few episodes but I'm not optimistic. Alex Kurtzman has done nothing but trash for years and years and yet he's still in fucking charge.

Oh look Michael Chabon is already leaving Picard, I wonder why. How many people will Kurtzman hire and then fire before people realize he might be the fucking problem?

It's sad a parody like The Orville is more like actual Star Trek than current Star Trek.

But with TNG

You guys are panicking... sheesh isn’t it cool seeing one of the most bad ass characters in sci if history getting into it again... Picard was always an idealist and would have and did “take off the communicator” when starfleet was off the reservation... he defended ideals always... and it seems setup to do the same.. thinking starfleet was perfect is innaccurate anyhow... at least we can root for a good guy fighting for the Roddenberry ideals... but corruption and shit always will exist when humans are involved and history repeats..... setup is spot on Picard imo.. in some ways it’s a knock on where Star Trek has gone also....

AngryGerbil said:

I have a novel idea.

Let's NOT milk an old British man and an old Commie franchise for that cynical TDS buck. Instead, let's bring in fresh stories and fresh faces with fresh optimistic writers who all have a set of actual testicular balls on them.

Sorry. Sorry. I'm so sorry Hollywood, Feminism, and Social Justice. I'm sorry. Please don't Gulag me. I hope you sell lots of popcorn and t-shirts.

Please accept my soypology.

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didnt they do that and call it The Orville?

shabushabu said:

You guys are panicking... sheesh isn’t it cool seeing one of the most bad ass characters in sci if history getting into it again... Picard was always an idealist and would have and did “take off the communicator” when starfleet was off the reservation... he defended ideals always... and it seems setup to do the same.. thinking starfleet was perfect is innaccurate anyhow... at least we can root for a good guy fighting for the Roddenberry ideals... but corruption and shit always will exist when humans are involved and history repeats..... setup is spot on Picard imo.. in some ways it’s a knock on where Star Trek has gone also....

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The only time Picard really went off the reservation was in Insurrection when he was under the influence of a milf space elf. Taking off the combadge for effect was not his thing.