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Movie Picard backs the Baku because he wants to get in the pants of a milf space elf despite everything involving the resettlement being nice and legal. It's not really even the planet that is at issue either. It's the ring around the planet and the medical benefits it provides.

Television show Picard backs the forced resettlement of Native Americans (no milf Indians catch Picard's eye) and when Wesley decides to back the colonists and defy orders Picard takes a gigantic fucking shit on him including scolding him for making decisions above his pay grade.

Movie Picard and TNG Picard take the exact opposite position on the same issue.

In regards to watching Insurrection again not without a Rifftrax or RLM commentary track over the top.
He didn't really take opposite positions. He didn't want to move the settlers in either scenario. In the TV show, they were at war with the Cardassians, and the planet was apart of the peace treaty. That an knowing Cardassians, if the settlers hadn't been relocated may have resulted in their massacre. Rock and a hard place. In the end, Picard actually negotiated with the Cardassians to allow the settlers to remain, giving rise to Cardassians that negotiate peace with diplomacy instead of the sword, which persisted heavily throughout DS9.

Insurrection was about a melting faced phage inflicted asshole who wanted to steal the planet's fountain of youth. Of course when Picard finds out he flips his shit.

There's a separate episode in season 7 where Worf's brother goes against the Prime Directive and transports the remaining citizens of a planet experiencing an extinction level atmospheric event. Picard didn't really resist that, either.
 

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You can get into some of the more complex topics in Star Trek on this reddit. There's a couple really good posts about the first episode of Picard.

 

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You're* too stupid to argue with.
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Whine more . Cant wait till Thursday, maybe I will come back for the tears on Friday lol
 
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Movie Picard backs the Baku because he wants to get in the pants of a milf space elf despite everything involving the resettlement being nice and legal. It's not really even the planet that is at issue either. It's the ring around the planet and the medical benefits it provides.

Television show Picard backs the forced resettlement of Native Americans (no milf Indians catch Picard's eye) and when Wesley decides to back the colonists and defy orders Picard takes a gigantic fucking shit on him including scolding him for making decisions above his pay grade.

Movie Picard and TNG Picard take the exact opposite position on the same issue.

In regards to watching Insurrection again not without a Rifftrax or RLM commentary track over the top.
Cough. Prime directive cough.
 

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Cough. Prime directive cough.

The Baku were on a Federation planet and there was an agreement made with the Sona, their cousins, regarding resources. This treaty had Federation approval. The Baku were not native to that planet.

The Indians were on a Federation planet and there was an agreement made with the Cardassians to turn over that planet with Federation approval. The Indians were not natives either.

In one of these stories Picard picks duty and browbeats the fuck out of Wesley for doing what he thinks is right. In the other of these stories Picard picks milf space elf pussy over duty. It's actually worse in Insurrection as we're told that the ring around the planet has vast exploitable medical benefits and the Federation is currently at war with the Dominion. Son'a tech and the ring in conjunction could easily save lives.
 

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He didn't really take opposite positions. He didn't want to move the settlers in either scenario. In the TV show, they were at war with the Cardassians, and the planet was apart of the peace treaty. That an knowing Cardassians, if the settlers hadn't been relocated may have resulted in their massacre. Rock and a hard place. In the end, Picard actually negotiated with the Cardassians to allow the settlers to remain, giving rise to Cardassians that negotiate peace with diplomacy instead of the sword, which persisted heavily throughout DS9.

Insurrection was about a melting faced phage inflicted asshole who wanted to steal the planet's fountain of youth. Of course when Picard finds out he flips his shit.

He may not have liked it and sought a diplomatic solution but he was going to do what he was told.

Hell, we know with hindsight that solution was no solution at all. The Cardassians don't follow the treaty for shit, arm their colonists and the Federation's help boils down to pointing out that there is a peace-keeping treaty signed in good faith that absolutely does not keep the peace. Their impotence leads to the creation of the Marquis. That conflict in conjunction with a war with the Klingons pushes the Cardassians in to the arms of the Dominion and nearly all the colonists get murdered.
 

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Excerpt from Fade In by Michael Piller

RODDENBERRYʼS BOX

When I surf the net or read letters to the editor in some genre magazine, I often come across complaints from fans who say that Star Trek really needs to get “some new writing blood in there”.

Theyʼre absolutely right.

In fact, recruiting new talent was one of my priorities when I was producing the television shows. I scheduled pitches from free-lance writers every day and required my staff writers to do the same. Hearing new voices and fresh ideas, in my opinion, kept the franchise vital. The Star Trek series were the only television shows in town that encouraged amateur submissions of speculative teleplays (if they were accompanied by legal releases that protected the studio from lawsuits).

Thousands were submitted. Every one was read. I looked at every synopsis and analysis myself. Ninety-nine out a hundred were not what we were looking for. But that last one made the search worthwhile. We discovered several writers through the process.

A writing assignment for a Star Trek movie would certainly attract all sorts of good writers with credentials in feature films. Why then wouldnʼt the studio and Rick Berman seek out “new blood” to write the next Star Trek movie instead of giving it to another old television warhorse like me?

The answer can be found in Roddenberryʼs Box.

I happen to like the box. A lot of writers donʼt. In fact, I think itʼs fair to say, most writers who have worked on Star Trek over the years would like to throw the box away. It may surprise you to learn that when I took over as head writer, the entire writing staff of Star Trek: The Next Generation was so frustrated and angry with Gene Roddenberry they were counting the days before their contracts expired (and indeed every one of them left at seasonʼs end.) He wouldnʼt let them out of the box and they were suffocating...

My first time in Roddenberryʼs Box was during the very first episode I worked on as head writer. We were already in production of season three, four shows were finished, twenty-two still to do. There were no scripts and no stories to shoot the following week. Desperate, I bought a spec script that had been sent in from an amateur writer named Ron Moore who was about to enlist in the U.S. Navy. It was a rough teleplay called “The Bonding” and would require a lot of reworking but I liked the idea. A female Starfleet officer is killed in an accident and her child, overcome with grief, bonds with a holographic recreation of his mother rather than accept her death.

I sent a short description of the story to Rick and Gene. Minutes later, I was called to an urgent meeting in Geneʼs office. “This doesnʼt work” he said. “In the Twenty-Fourth Century, no one grieves. Death is accepted as part of life.”

As I shared the dilemma with the other staff writers, they took a bit of pleasure from my loss of virginity, all of them having already been badly bruised by rejections from Gene. Roddenberry was adamant that Twenty-Fourth Century man would evolve past the petty emotional turmoil that gets in the way of our happiness today. Well, as any writer will tell you, ʻemotional turmoilʼ, petty and otherwise, is at the core of any good drama. It creates conflict between characters. But Gene didnʼt want conflict between our characters. “All the problems of mankind have been solved,” he said. “Earth is a paradise.”

Now, go write drama.

His demands seemed impossible at first glance. Even self-destructive. And yet, I couldnʼt escape one huge reality. Star Trek worked. Or it had for thirty years. Gene must be doing something right.

I accepted it as a challenge. Okay, I told the writers, Iʼm here to execute Roddenberryʼs vision of the future, not mine. Letʼs stop fighting what we canʼt change. These are his rules. How do we do this story without breaking those rules?

A day later, I asked for another meeting with Gene and Rick. And hereʼs how I re-pitched the story:

“When the boyʼs mother dies, he doesnʼt grieve. He acts like heʼs been taught to act -- to accept death as a part of life. He buries whatever pain he may be feeling under this Twenty-Fourth Century layer of advanced civilization. The alien race responsible for the accidental death of his mother tries to correct their error by providing a replacement version of her. The boy wants to believe his mother isnʼt dead, but our Captain knows she isnʼt real and must convince the boy to reject the illusion. In order to do so, the boy must cut through everything heʼs been taught about death and get to his true emotions. He must learn to grieve.”

The new approach respected Roddenberryʼs rules and by doing so, became a more complex story. He gave his blessing. And I began to learn how Roddenberryʼs Box forced us as writers to come up with new and interesting ways to tell stories instead of falling back into easier, familiar devices.

The rules of behavior in Roddenberryʼs universe have filled books. There are more books dedicated to the personal histories of Star Trek characters as well as detailed cultural histories of the alien races of the Twenty-Fourth Century. And even more books written about Star Trek’s science and technology. Gene and his colleagues over the years have created a tapestry that is not easy for new writers to penetrate. My experience has been that our most successful new writers grew up as dedicated fans and already know the Star Trek world inside and out. With the notable exceptions of Ira Steven Behr, Jeri Taylor and Joe Menosky, three writers in a decade, I rarely had luck hiring experienced writers who could come in and understand the franchise.
 
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Predictably enough, RLM hated it mostly.

While their videos are entertaining, I'm baffled by how they manage to simultaneously do a lot of research for their videos (splicing various episode scenes to emphasize their points) and clearly know a lot about Trek lore, and at the same time completely miss very obvious spelled-out points in the content they're criticizing...

They both thought that Data somehow "predicted" what his future daughters would look like and made fun of that preposterous plot element, when the show clearly said that Maddox based the twins' appearance on Data's painting.

It's a nitpick but it really undermines the validity of their videos to me, it's like they're only putting those videos out because they know they'll get a ton of views but they don't care enough about the content they're reviewing to watch it carefully.

I get that it's their shtick these days to act like the jaded old men who are tired of everything Star Wars and Star Trek (and Marvel, etc...), but it's like they can't decide between acting like two boomers who can't be bothered to care about the story anymore and get their facts wrong , and the super-nerd squad who knows every episode number and names of background characters and use it as counterpoints to the modern shows.

Much prefer Jay / Jack / other guest re:views, way too much cranky bitterness in the Rich/Mike ones.
 
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Data didn't have a relationship with Picard?

THE ACTUAL FUCK.

Anyone remember whose arm Picard grabbed when he was still connected to the Collective? FUCKING DATA. How many times did Picard have moral and philosophical and humanizing conversations with Data? It wasn't just the movies. Motherfuckers need to go back and watch TNG again. Picard played father figure or guide to a lot of the cast, but Data most of all.

As far as Starfleet, their moral ideals are their strength, but like any organization of large scope is suceptible to corruption, both internally, and externally from social pressures or infiltration/espionage/terrorism.

The arch over the entirety of the first season of TNG was those bug fuckers taking over top Starfleet officials. The Founders in DS9. The Mars isolationist faction in ENT. Fuck, Starfleet for all its moral high ground has done some pretty treasonous espionage themselves, infiltrating the Tal Shiar, a secret mission Picard was in on, but that's a whole other conversation.
This was my memory of the show, that corruption/fallability within Starfleet was a theme than recurred over each series, and that Data and Picard were shown to have an especially unique relationship revolving around Picard's philosophy bent and Data's unique place in the known universe. But I haven't watched TNG since the 90s so I assumed that I must be misremembering.
 

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yeah, didn't RLM discuss the fact Picard kept EVERYONE at arms length during his tenure, in a previous video? and the finale specifically had him join the bridge crew in playing cards for the first time?

I do think its a bit funny so many shitlords want the Federation to be kept the Utopian communist humanist fiction of Roddenbury, while in reality yeah, are 100% against those things. (I mean, I do understand keeping his creation as his creation. as opposed to yet another uncreative sjw fuckfest taking some thing someone else created and jamming it full of their own bullshit.)
 
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Show Picard and show Data had a close relationship for sure. Data was a mix of apprentice and child to him. Even Riker wouldn't hold as important a place in Picard's heart. That Data was killed saving him from his own clone would amplify any need for him to do right by his memory as well.
 

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You have to also remember that Data was still new to even "emotions" in the movies - and yes, the movies really ramped up Data as a character - he was not really /more/ of a focus or "big" character than any other prime character in TNG.

The big "thing" in Data v Lore - was Lore was like "Humans suck, dont care if they made me- screw them we are better" aka typical Asamov stuff we all know and love - while Data was "I want to be more human, I KNOW they are 'lesser' than I yet, they are superior in ways I do not understand- so I want to BE more like them to understand that." so he wants to protect rather than destroy...hence the end of nemesis... // that to spock in kahn all day.... data was the vulcans replacement in TNG sooo...

Picard always embraced this with Data and wanted to nurture him, but his character at the same time was like "I am not a perfect sole example of humanity, how can I do this?"

7of9 fills this tone and role in Voyager, as Kess did not do a good job and they time-locked her race and added creepio factor with her being like 9 and cuckolding neelix

DS9... Odo is the closest for this tone and role - Spock-Data-Odo-(Kess)7of9

They are all vehicles to discover and show the good and bad of "humanity" and explore... and now with ST:picard, only Spock's race did not want to completely destroy or dominate humanity.
 
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Kes was just a big mistake of a character that was poorly used. It was one of, admittedly many, mis-steps that were made when Voyager was first greenlit.
 

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Kes was just a big mistake of a character that was poorly used. It was one of, admittedly many, mis-steps that were made when Voyager was first greenlit.
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if i was forced to choose 3 favorite characters i'd choose 7of9, the doctor and ...the ship
 
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The doctor's character become insufferable when he SJW'ed out.

He fit the same roll as Kess and later 7of9 as per above- but got annoying in the latter arc's

Neelex I actually liked - when he was their guide etc. and the in world dealt with him not having a real place once they got beyond what he knew.

Kess really was just bad execution - they could have done everything they did with 7of9 with her, if they would have managed the character properly.
 

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I still laugh every time someone brings up Chakotay and how the native american consultant they brought in was proven to be a fraud 10 years earlier yet no one vetted.
 
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