Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

Caliane_sl said:

well, to be fair. I would be ok with that in theory. Rebels, etc. 90% of the EU stuff.
I would rather further Starwars had NOTHING to do with Luke, and friends. Like, I said saying I was more interested in Rogue One.

TFA would have been better 100-200 years down the line, and everyone involved was renamed. no luke, leia, han. Chewie still chewie. Any characters, just being descendants. Leaving the actual fates of all involved up to people to guess at.

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Similar as to what Fawe said, I don't think this idea would have worked with fans. People have been waiting for over 30 years to find out what happened to the big 3 of Luke, Leia, and Han. The new trilogy had to incorporate them in some way for there to be some continuity and familiarity with the OT. People would have been pissed had they just jumped several hundred years into the future and left Luke, Leia, and Han to mystery and legend.

Now having said that, If they ultimately decide to do an episodes 10, 11, and 12, then yeah, I could see them jumping ahead a few hundred years maybe. Maybe they could have Luke's grandson turn into a giant sandworm and crown himself God Emperor of Tatooine or something.

I dunno about "getting away with it" even back in the 80's. His claim to pushing the technical envelope in filmmaking is fair, but his impact is actually more pronounced in sound than visual effects back then since the visual effects weren't ALL Lucasfilm until much later. Not even Lucas at his heyday was silly enough to try and steal the credit from Stan Winston or Syd Mead's design influences... and the 80's bloomed with the Winston's vfx work independent from Lucas and Syd Mead's fingerprints are in everything from Aliens to Blade Runner to Elysium. In fact, one of major tonal flaws of the prequels was the ABSENCE of Syd Mead's aesthetic.

He deserves credit in acknowledging his limitations enough that he got Irvin Kershner to direct the best Star Wars movie yet made----when Kershner asked George "Of all the younger guys around, all the hot-shots, why me?"Lucas replied, "Well, because you know everything a Hollywood director is supposed to know, but you're not Hollywood."

You could say that fits his assertion that he's an outsider, but he LITERALLY invented film merchandising---There was cinema before merchandising, and then there was cinema after studios realized they could treble their profits with merchandising----and, along with his buddy Steven Spielberg, he bent the arc of the film industry towards summer blockbusters for the rest of time.

There was a website YEARS ago... pre prequels, that was written by a guy who claimed he was Lucas' friend, and also claimed to have the outline scripts of Episodes 7-9. Used the EU children names, but it was set on Cloud City. It was 100% some basement dwelling mouthbreather and his fan fiction, but reading parts of that ESB Time article reminded me of it. The outline was so bad I never made it past the first scene.

Bespin figures pretty prominently with the new trilogy actually. It's kinda weird but there are a LOT of callbacks to it.

I dunno what that timeline was, but apparently the spoilers from a year ago that had TFA open with Luke's severed hand floating with his lightsaber was actually in the movie at one point. Lor San Tekka (Max von Sydow's) role as a preserver/archivist of Jedi relics was close to that leaked story too.

In fact, the film version of Rey's force vision shows her standing in a hallway in the cloud city... but in the novelization not only is she in Bespin, she actually WITNESSES Vader and Luke's duel:



Maybe it's just the significance of where Luke lost the lightsaber... but then they actually filmed Rey standing in that hallway in Bespin for a couple seconds before it collapses.

Has anyone gone over that leaked script since the movie came out to see how accurate it was? I remember the source being debunked but it seems like a lot of it that I can recall ended up being either close or spot on.

The concept art leaks were all legit at least. I remember the concepts for Vader's ruined helmet, the wrecked At-At that was Rey's home and the crashed TIE fighter from last year's leak. I dunno about the script/outline leaks but the bit about the movie starting with Luke's hand floating in space is apparently legit.

On one hand I think it was a dick move by Disney to not include George Lucas's name anywhere. A simple Star Wars: Created by George Lucas would have been the right thing to do.

On the other hand, Lucas is being a colossal douche about being SELLING the franchise and being butt hurt about not being called in to oversee the new movies. The disgruntled ex-girlfriend comparison is pretty accurate.

I remember when The Phantom Menace came out. At the time we were just excited that there was a new Star Wars movie period so we overlooked all of its flaws. But it didn't take long to realize that a movie based around Jar Jar and contract negotiations had some flaws to it. But Duel of the Fates was pretty awesome and Darth Maul was pretty cool.

Angelwatch_sl said:

and Darth Maul was pretty cool.

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And George in all his wisdom killed him off in the first Episode, moving on to Dooku, then General Fucking Grievous. No disrespect to Christopher Lee, but that character was boring. And Grievous had all the potential in the world to be legitimately cool and instead Lucas had him cough and run away from everything the entire time (he also looked dumb with his cloak off)

Already retracted.

George Lucas_sl said:

"I have been working with Disney for 40 years and chose them as the custodians of Star Wars because of my great respect for the company and Bob Iger's leadership," said Lucas. "Disney is doing an incredible job of taking care of and expanding the franchise. I rarely go out with statements to clarify my feelings but I feel it is important to make it clear that I am thrilled that Disney has the franchise and is moving it in such exciting directions in film, television and the parks."

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Apparently he's never published a mea culpa about anything ever, so we shouldn't be shocked that he let some snark about merchandising and theme parks sneak into his first attempt.

Jive Turkey_sl said:

And George in all his wisdom killed him off in the first Episode, moving on to Dooku, then General Fucking Grievous. No disrespect to Christopher Lee, but that character was boring. And Grievous had all the potential in the world to be legitimately cool and instead Lucas had him cough and run away from everything the entire time (he also looked dumb with his cloak off)

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They should have used Maul as the primary Sith villain for the entire prequel trilogy having it culminate in Anakin defeating Maul to take his place at the side of the Emperor. But instead, like a dumb ass, Lucas decides to kill off the best villain in the whole trilogy at the end of the first movie.

Big Phoenix_sl said:

Lucas is the most butthurt person in history.

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Sir, I suggest you read the Ghostbusters thread and re-evaluate this statement.

Big Phoenix_sl said:

Lucas is the most butthurt person in history.

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If you pay me $4 billion, I'm going to say whatever you want me to say.

Jive Turkey_sl said:

I literally don't know anyone in real life who legitimately loves the prequels.

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I must be the biggest Star Wars fan boy on here, because I liked the prequels. Then again, this is from a guy who has watched ANH somewhere around 200 times in his life.

Do people avoid you in real life? If so then both your stories would co-exist peacefully.

What about Darth Maul makes him the best villain of the prequels exactly? Killing him right away was stupid because it insured his character was completely pointless, but all we saw was that pointless character. Why pretend he would have been something different in there movies instead of one?

Angelwatch_sl said:

On one hand I think it was a dick move by Disney to not include George Lucas's name anywhere. A simple Star Wars: Created by George Lucas would have been the right thing to do.

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Didn't it still say Lucasfilm in the opening sequence? I have a vague recollection of TFA not having Disney logos or watermarks shoved down my throat during the first couple of minutes (was wondering how shameless Disney would be about owning it).