Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
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Caliane
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nah. I bet most of that EU elements around them is still canon. it makes alot of sense, and is based directly off stuff from the movies.
first movie had han talking about doing the calculations, etc and outright talking about flying through stars. Then flying into the alderaan rubble. This establishes a few things. 1. They don't have magical faster then light scanning methods which allow them to see, and react to shit in the way. 2. they dont have warp bubbles, letting them warp through planet(startrek) 3. again, dont have long range scanning. so it is only safe to travel along pre-mapped paths.
Trade routes, trade blockage, smugglers, pirates... all only exist with predefined trade routes.
first movie had han talking about doing the calculations, etc and outright talking about flying through stars. Then flying into the alderaan rubble. This establishes a few things. 1. They don't have magical faster then light scanning methods which allow them to see, and react to shit in the way. 2. they dont have warp bubbles, letting them warp through planet(startrek) 3. again, dont have long range scanning. so it is only safe to travel along pre-mapped paths.
Trade routes, trade blockage, smugglers, pirates... all only exist with predefined trade routes.
Gavinmad
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Except like I said, there is absolutely no possible way that there would be so few hyperspace lanes in such a huge chunk of the galaxy that you'd have to go thousands of light years out of your way and then follow such a ridiculously specific path as that orange line. If it was how to navigate a specific path through a locally hazardous section of space (like the episode Passage from season 3 of Galactica) but that chunk of the map was 7-10 percent of the galaxy. Assuming the thickness of their galactic disk is roughly similar to the Milky Way, we're talking about an area between 700 billion to 1 trillion cubic light years of space.
There is no possible way for 1 trillion cubic light years of space to only have 1 specific navigable route to that planet. Absolutely none.
There is no possible way for 1 trillion cubic light years of space to only have 1 specific navigable route to that planet. Absolutely none.
Royal
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Even if you ignore the orange line if BB-8's map didn't match any known area of the galaxy on the Resistance's charts then they couldn't have used it alone to get to Luke. They needed R2's map (which the First Order also had somehow) to show them where BB-8's piece fit into the larger galactic map.
Caliane
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yes. and space fights shouldn't look like ww2 dogfights.. and a bombing run on a space station makes no sense at all.
Stop thinking, "real space travel" and start thinking, "what if space travel was like samurai, pirates, and ww2."
there are trade routes, because the ocean has trade routes, due to currents, obstacles, and fixed locations.
Gavinmad
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Jesus Christ no they didn't need R2's map. As I said, any computer would have instantly matched that chunk to it's corresponding place on a galactic map. Unless you're saying R2-D2 had the only galactic map in existence. We're not talking about trying to figure out where you are in the galaxy based on the location of a couple stars. We're talking about a significant chunk of the whole goddamn galaxy.
Miguex
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They are absolutely still canon. They've been mentioned in at least 1 of the new novels (Heir to the Jedi) and on Rebels twice just this season. And I'm pretty sure they talked about them last season too.
and to your further point, they make a point of saying how specific the lanes are multiple times. They are so specific that the Empire sets up ships with gravity wells at certain points to pull suspected Rebel and smuggling ships out of hyperspace because they know exactly where the lanes are.
Royal
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How do you match it to a known portion of the galaxy if it doesn't match any portion of the known galaxy? That's essentially what 3PO said.
Gavinmad
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It couldn't possibly not match, that's my point. It's the exact same thing as Starkiller Base being able to blow up a solar system from over halfway across the galaxy. Abrams either doesn't know or doesn't care about how far astronomical distances are, which is why he does shit like blowing up a solar system from across the galaxy or interstellar transportation.
It's not like it really affects the story at all, but you couldn't possibly fail to match that large a chunk of the galaxy against a map, no matter what the hell C3PO said.
It's not like it really affects the story at all, but you couldn't possibly fail to match that large a chunk of the galaxy against a map, no matter what the hell C3PO said.
Famm
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Its a fucking file on a droid, its encrypted to only match when paired with the other files from the specifically designed map in question. Its not literally a puzzle piece from some standard galactic map that anyone could figure out how to reconstruct, even if that's how the scene portrayed it.
FFS man these movies are very clearly written to be able to be followed by elementary school kids. Going over the script with a fine toothed comb makesyoulook foolish, not the movie.
FFS man these movies are very clearly written to be able to be followed by elementary school kids. Going over the script with a fine toothed comb makesyoulook foolish, not the movie.
Royal
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That goes back to what I said about it being accurate. If it's not then you can't simply run it through a computer to find out where the systems all line up on a full map of the galaxy. Whether it has been altered or is from an uncharted section of the galaxy (which wouldn't make much sense given how everything around it was charted) you would need to line up the border of BB-8's map with the missing section of R2's to find Luke. Having just one or the other isn't enough. Though given enough time you could search all of the known systems in the missing area of R2's map had he been active to reveal it.
You do realize that it's a fucking movie, right? I mean, it's not real.
Anyway, tried to watch this again at my friend's house tonight because he hadn't seen it yet. Was hoping that maybe my expectations were just too high when I saw it the first time, but nope. It's just a bad fucking movie and it's a million times worse the second time you try and watch it.
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This it the same guy who in the first Star Trek filmed said after a sun went supernova, a planet in another system hundreds of light years away would be destroyed by the shock wave (Not a gamma radiation burst, but literally a giant shock wave). He also thought a 'cold fusion' bomb meant a bomb the freezes everything, even volcanoes.
Yeah, he's not the most literate scientific mind.