Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

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Daezuel

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You could tell Mark was pissed off from the start when they put him in for half a second of screen time in FA.

This was just the shit topping on the shit sundae.
 
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I feel for Mark Hamil. He was so psyched for SW when Disney bought it and signed him up, and loved bantering, joking and teasing around TFA. I think both he and the fans were both hoping and expecting Luke to be awesome. Doing an Obi Wan, kicking Sith ass, training new Jedis... But nope... He acted well, he's a professional, but you know he doesn't like it. I wonder if he is contracted to force ghost in IX or not. If he is I bet he's hoping it will be limited.

Man I wish I could shake his hand, tell him "thanks" and that the original Luke is the real Luke.
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Mark signed on for the sequels before Lucasfilm was sold to Disney. He was a big fan of the story for Episodes 789 that Lucas had put together. I don't think either of them were expecting Disney to throw Lucas's story out the window and create a Lifetime original movie in space. They should known better though. Or maybe Lucas knew all along and this is his revenge for all the fanboy blubbering over his prequels. Jar Jar Binks sure doesn't seem so bad now that we've had to endure the adventures of Finn and fat space chink.
 
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Just imagined that diversity story council at Disney as the Jedi Council in the prequels. Maybe that will turn out the same way. We need Darth Vader to return balance to the force.
 
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Daezuel said:
Just imagined that diversity story council at Disney as the Jedi Council in the prequels. Maybe that will turn out the same way. We need Darth Vader to return balance to the force.
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Smiled way too hard at this.

We're all becoming a bunch of scummy Sith.
 
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Daezuel said:
Just imagined that diversity story council at Disney as the Jedi Council in the prequels. Maybe that will turn out the same way. We need Darth Vader to return balance to the force.
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I can only hope it will start with a new Trilogy kicking off with Billy Bob Thornton in "Bad Jedi"
 
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Mark signed on for the sequels before Lucasfilm was sold to Disney. He was a big fan of the story for Episodes 789 that Lucas had put together. I don't think either of them were expecting Disney to throw Lucas's story out the window and create a Lifetime original movie in space.
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Not quite.

Lucas reached out to Fisher and Hamill to see if they would be interested in reprising their roles when he started working on his story treatments. He later told them that he was retiring, selling the company, and that Kathleen Kennedy would be taking over. At that point he said that a new trilogy would definitely be going forward if they wanted to participate, otherwise their characters would be written out. Hamill didn't formally agree until after he knew Ford had already signed on.

As for Lucas's stories getting thrown in the trash that probably became a bit overblown. They were just treatments, not screenplays or scripts. The new central characters they would have introduced were all children of the original big three which was probably a factor in them not being used as written. But some of George's ideas were kept. The "main" character, the rough equivalent of Luke, was a female jedi named Kira (a name they used through several of the early drafts of the TFA script until it was later replaced with Rey) and Luke was at a troubled point in his life and had exiled himself in isolation at the first jedi temple just as he was in TLJ.
 
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/heres-how-fans-reacted-to-the-empire-strikes-back-in-19-1821551259

I don't think you can really call those reactions to Empire Strikes Back "backlash". I don't think this qualifies for comparison to TLJ.


Some of them seem borderline fabricated by editors of the magazine for "content" too. Article lacks substance.

C’mon Leia, why don’t you take a look around? Can’t you see what Luke is up against? You could have a “nice guy” like him. Instead, you are turning your back on him. Forget that it was Luke that saved you from having your atoms scattered throughout the galaxy. Forget that it was Luke, and not Han Solo, that wanted you rescued from the Death Star detention area. But you don’t need to remember all that, Leia. As long as hot-lips Han is around, who needs Luke anyway?
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Rewatched Rogue one with the kids.

Felt like a star wars movie in a way that TLJ never will.

it built tension, it made you care enough about the characters. The space battle felt and looked good.

TLJ in comparison is completely void of any emotion. Even when Finn was a second away from vaporizing himself in the giant canon i felt nothing.

the 'build up' was this abortion of a shitshow on the casino planet. I guess after that bullshit my brain automatically wrote Finn off.
 
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jayrebb said:
I'm saying why the fuck did that ending not get a test audience? Re: the Luke result.

That is absolutely something that Disney, or any major studio, would typically test audience and react to a lower score. Lucas Film, can you release the scores on that? Hey maybe it was all blood relatives and Rian's Instagram press tour folks doing the testing. I think Royal or someone already said it several pages ago, but the main trilogy isn't something you necessarily take risks on. That's for the anthology flicks and peripheral where you want to pull out the arthouse creative.

This movie was highly salvageable-- by just making Luke kick a little more ass, giving him a full blown out of this world redemption (this was like pulling teeth for Rian get that guy a fucking dentist), leaving Luke's death as very very super saiyan discussion boss level ambiguous-- which then allows JJ to decide whether to carry the Luke hype into Episode 9 or not. Don't force JJ to accept force ghost Luke or force JJ to write a disgusting Star Trek time force continuum resurrection scene if he wants Luke back. This is where the cognitive dissonance with Rian's creative really shows itself. He left Kylo in neutral for an Episode 9 decision, while eviscerating a Luke redemption arc. Yet Rian said he wanted to leave it up to JJ on all decisions for 9. You can still buff Luke up and leave it to JJ. Bullshit excuse busted.

Add deleting Kylo's "welp after that tidal wave of emotions I'm resolved to stay the course" scene. Seriously delete the Kylo scenes and dialogue where he rationalizes to Rey, still let him kill Snoke, and don't offer much explanation, let Kylo let Rey go silently without much said. A little mystique goes a long way. Its hard, I know.

I'd gut pretty much all of the Kylo dialogue throughout the entire film though. Those telepathy conversations have gotta go-- that's Phantom Menace level stuff via what it was doing to Kylo's character with the Snoke room scene taken into consideration. Demeaning your main villain and antagonist is not a good idea, and yet again, another unfair move to JJ and Episode 9.
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I disagree here. Episode 7 Kylo was a pissant and this delved in a resolved a good deal of it. His character developed. The force connection was odd, uncomfortable, but intriguing. And then. Snoke did it. What badassery. I felt it. Like a stomach punch to both characters.

The movie could have used a lot less comedy and cg. Those were the main areas to tighten.

Am I the only one who didn't like Mark Hamil's performance?

The movie wasn't good. But it also didn't bomb so hard that it killed the series.
It did put them on warning, probation tho.
This shit better not turn into The Hobbit in space...
 
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Luke dying. I said several time in the TFA thread and this one that I didn't think they'd have him die, especially after Fisher passed away.

It seems to me that you're being overly restrictive in how you define meaningful risks though. How often do we hear it's not just about the destination but also the journey with storytelling? Perhaps it would have been more satisfying to you if characters had ended up in places you didn't expect (which is itself a highly personal thing, those will run a spectrum for an audience) but for others how those characters get their has more meaning. And that is where Johnson took his risks. And they were meaningful, conscious risks rather than just miscalculating what the audience wanted.
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Talking about journey vs destiny. Asian love curve ball? WTF was that?
Will episode 9 be a love triangle between Finn Rey and Chubs?

Also, Finn was weak as a character and needed developing. He was in this weird space of being a Luke, Han, Ash, and Daniel and needed refinement. Instead he devolved to Jar-Jar.
 
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Rey can't compete with Princess Leia. Leia was the biggest bad ass woman with an amazing amount of accomplishment, snark, beauty, humor, grace...

She didn't need the PC culture Mary Sue bullshit so that makes her like 100 times the fucking bad ass and she never even needed a light saber to do it.
 
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I am convinced they raped Luke in order to show that decisions by men were all wrong. The entire movie was about bad decisions made by men.
 
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I'm laughing my balls off at all the think pieces about smart, strong women... followed immediately by an explosion of Tumblr art shipping Rey and Kylo.
 
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wormie said:
I am convinced they raped Luke in order to show that decisions by men were all wrong. The entire movie was about bad decisions made by men.
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All of the men in 'Ghostbusters' are idiots, and it's one of the best things the movie does

On its surface, the 2016 "Ghostbusters" movie answers the question, "What if the Ghostbusters were female?" It uses the elements from the original 1984 movie — proton packs, rejection from academia, Bill Murray, supernatural forces threatening to bring apocalypse — to answer that. And it works.

But it goes a step further than that. It also asks, "What if there were useless men everywhere messing things up?"
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