Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Muurloen said:

Saw it yesterday, and went into it with about as low of expectations as I possibly convince myself in having.

It was ok, but just a jumbled mess with a continual overt brow beating that men are responsible for all of the problems in the universe, bubbling fools, and are not capable of leadership. Only Womyn should be in charge.

It was an average movie at best.

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Noticed the political subtext as well. Was watching, thinking, "Shut the fuck up you impotent ham beasts, Poe is the only one who gives a damn."

Also Luke finally shows up, gets blasted by a dozen AT-M6s. That was dope. Then the fight against Kylo Ren starts and nothing happens. Then he dies from draining his force powers while holoporting? Not so dope. Luke dying was a fine way to cap the film off, but the way it transpired was wasteful and underwhelming.

We watched the Empire Strikes Back last night and it made me think that maybe the TLJ Luke wasn't too far off. I've watched the Hammill interviews and read the articles how Luke was this hopeful, positive character and he may have rose to that but it wasn't his personality initially. Yoda even felt he was emotionally a lost cause. Yoda even says something like, "With you, everything is impossible." Luke was always quick to give up, be a Debbie Downer, and whine about every struggle. So, that maybe dial back my harshness on how Luke was portrayed. (Which was one of my biggest disappointments)

I'm just so torn on how I feel. I walked away ok with the movie but was ticked how they took away the hype and mystery leading to XI. I can't help that so i've been looking more into the movie. I need to go watch it a second time. I still can't figure out why they didn't just let Leia just protect the ship from a blast with a force barrier or something. It was a perfect setup as the shields were only going to last so long and fuel was running out. It was have been such a smarter move if Leia protected the ship from a death blow blast or moved the entire ship ultimately forcing draining her or something to save them instead of that Mary Poppins ignorance.

Also, i'm still 50/50 on this point.... I think some of that is out of context but maybe i'm still a little too harsh on the overall portrayal of Luke / Jedi persona in TLJ.

It's not just somewhat out of context, it's completely out of context. Both Yoda and Obi-Wan tried to stop the Sith and failed, if they hadn't gone into hiding afterwards they wouldn't have been around to train Luke and who the hell knows how long the Sith would have reigned over the galaxy. Luke just dropped everything and ran like a bitch.

Muligan said:

I still can't figure out why they didn't just let Leia just protect the ship from a blast with a force barrier or something. It was a perfect setup as the shields were only going to last so long and fuel was running out. It was have been such a smarter move if Leia protected the ship from a death blow blast or moved the entire ship ultimately forcing draining her or something to save them instead of that Mary Poppins ignorance.

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Carrie Poppins was not so bad so long as we don't start seeing flying jedis. If Leia uses the force again let's hope it is something other than floating around, depending on how they approach her character after Fisher's death.

Araysar said:

Disney Apparently Expects 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' To Bomb

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Solo movie sounds like a piece of shit.

Is Leia powerful enough in the force to regenerate? Or body jump like Professor X.

Chris said:

Or body jump like Professor X.

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Maybe they can get this sassy black woman to play her in ep 9.

a c i d.f l y said:

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He'll be dead!

Seananigans said:

What's that have to do with my post? I offered an(my) alternative to throwing money at Disney-Lucasfilm for shitting out girl-power legacy-raping turds. The analogue for back then would be... I dunno, watch EP4-6 instead of going to see Ep 2 or 3? I'll give everyone a pass for getting duped by Ep1, the trailer w/ Duel of the Fates was enough to sell most anyone, and the empty feeling setting in had a slow burn, I was certainly one of them.

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It just seemed like you were saying everyone should have turned to a detailed YouTube breakdown of the flaws of the movies like you did instead of going to see the movies for themselves at the time. And remember one of the big criticisms of TPM by fans when it came out was of kid Anakin. The reason some were still willing to give AotC a chance after that initial disappointment was knowing that they'd be getting an older version of the character. And like you mentioned the marketing. Selling people on a Star Wars movie by putting together an awesome looking trailer has got to be one of the easiest jobs in marketing (though it's probably going to start getting harder to do).

Muligan said:

I still can't figure out why they didn't just let Leia just protect the ship from a blast with a force barrier or something. It was a perfect setup as the shields were only going to last so long and fuel was running out. It was have been such a smarter move if Leia protected the ship from a death blow blast or moved the entire ship ultimately forcing draining her or something to save them instead of that Mary Poppins ignorance.

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Yeah for me that Leia scene is one of the moments that drags the movie down more than it should given how long it takes in the overall scheme of the movie. Seeing her use the force is a big moment for Leia fans who have been wanting to see that for a long time (I'm not one of those but I know how important it was for those that did). The impact of it was completely undercut by how absurd it looked, which is a shame. A lot of those fans still seemed to have liked it (somehow) but it wasn't done in a way that was able to bring everyone else together with them in a moment of appreciation for the character.

I don't know how they could have completely filled the holes in the scene's logic (especially opening the doors with that gaping hole in the side of the ship without killing everyone else on the other side) but if she had been trapped under heavy debris against the wall to the side of the hole then used the force to free herself that would have given her the force use moment minus the ridiculous visual.

As for Luke's reaction to the Ben situation, it is very consistent with how they have filled in the blanks around Yoda's time on Dagobah before Luke came along. It's something else that's not part of any movie but it is based on how defeated Yoda looked and acted at the end of RotS. He spent a lot of time in the swamp afterwards pondering his failings and those of the jedi. He didn't immediately latch on to the idea of letting years pass until one of Anakin's kids would be old enough to face down the Emperor (and when he came around to the idea he wanted to train Leia, not Luke who he thought was too impulsive like his father).

Araysar said:

Disney Apparently Expects 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' To Bomb

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I'm firmly in the Solo doubters camp but I don't know that I would put much into the veracity of that article. One thing Lucasfilm does well is keep their dirty laundry in house except in situations where it's impossible to hide (like firing a director). I think that "source close to the production" is probably someone from the L&M camp giving a little payback. The remark about the script being unworkable seems like an answer to the former directors being fired for not following it closely enough (and a dig at Kasdan himself who I continue to think is the real figure behind them being cut loose).

We as fans have plenty of reasons to think it will bomb. I don't know that Disney or Lucasfilm would expect it to though. It reads like someone taking all the old talking points, the lack of Solo promotion, and the negative reactions to TLJ to put together a timely, clicky article.

holy shit that was bad. now i know the mary poppins reference @Tolan was talking about. they borrowed so heavily from the original movies it was almost shot for shot at times and it completely destroyed any sense of surprise. was i the only one rooting for the empire to kill everyone and put this abomination to rest? the all female command was fucking hilarious. at least they highpointed what an utter shitshow it resulted in. there are so many bad things to talk about i dunno where to begin. the mary poppins leia definitely tops the shit cake. i cant wait for plinkett to get his hands on this. its going to be the best burn ever.

Royal said:

Yeah for me that Leia scene is one of the moments that drags the movie down more than it should given how long it takes in the overall scheme of the movie. Seeing her use the force is a big moment for Leia fans who have been wanting to see that for a long time (I'm not one of those but I know how important it was for those that did). The importance was completely undercut by how absurd it looked, which is a shame. A lot of those fans still seemed to have liked it (somehow) but it wasn't done in a way that was able to bring everyone else together with them in a moment of appreciation for the character.

I don't know how they could have completely filled the holes in the scene's logic (especially opening the doors with that gaping hole in the side of the ship without killing everyone else on the other side) but if she had been trapped under heavy debris against the wall to the side of the hole then used the force to free herself it that would have given her the force use moment minus the ridiculous visual.

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Don't think the floating itself looked so ridiculous but the scene as a whole was lazily put together. There are hundreds of better ways to reveal Leia's use of the force.

Leia poppins is the biggest FU to the audience ever.
It's so far off from SW that makes midichlorians something credible.

Tuco said:

Also how the fuck does TLJ have a 92% on RT?
Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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Rigged reviewer ratings from studio. They forget to buy the fan reviews as well.

Siddar said:

Rigged reviewer ratings from studio. They forget to buy the fan reviews as well.

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It's only a small difference but it is easier for a critic rating to go in the positive column on RT than it is for an audience score. It's only takes a 6/10 for a critic uptick but a 3.5/5 for an audience one. It doesn't end up accounting much for the divergence between the scores for TLJ because the audience ratings are so heavily split between the two extreme ends of the scale but it's worth pointing out.

This is the problem with the all the new trilogy.

Araysar said:

You're not getting the Apollo 13 or Beautiful Mind Ron Howard. You're getting the Da Vinci Code Ron Howard

The Han Solo movie will be basically Fonzie in Space.

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So, Alden Ehrenreich is going to play.. a character? How's that?