Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

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Youtube wants you know that the last jedi is just fine. This was a recommended video for me by youtube. I haven't noticed this feature before where they recommend a video a placed it on lists for other videos while another video is playing.

Responding to this one again because of something I've never seen happen before myself. I posted a response in the Blade Runner 2049 thread earlier today and then when I went to YouTube later what should show up in my recommended list? Yup, multiple Blade Runner review videos which I haven't seen in the list for a while now. Does their algorithm track shit like that?
 

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Responding to this one again because of something I've never seen happen before myself. I posted a response in the Blade Runner 2049 thread earlier today and then when I went to YouTube later what should show up in my recommended list? Yup, multiple Blade Runner review videos which I haven't seen in the list for a while now. Does their algorithm track shit like that?

No that's just Skynet fucking with you.
 

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Clone Wars and Rebels are both canon, unless by movie canon you literally mean only stuff that happens in the movies. There are some Rebels easter eggs in Rogue One, but I concede that's still a far cry from actually being part of the movie.

And I don't disagree with Lightning Lord Rule Lightning Lord Rule that Maul surviving was absolutely fucking retarded. He didn't just have his legs chopped off, that lightsaber cut him in half at about the waist. But if the force can keep Leia from dying to a near miss from a capital class weapon emplacement and several minutes of vacuum and unshielded radiation exposure, I don't see why it couldn't keep a bisected dude alive. That being said, as retarded as his survival was it led to 4 excellent stories (2 in Clone Wars, 2 in Rebels) and 1 decent one (Son of Dathomir which was a graphic novel interpretation of a Clone Wars plotline that was left hanging when Disney pulled the plug on the show). So despite being really dumb, good things came out of him surviving.

This is why I feel like Snoke isn't dead. He literally looks like something the force has kept alive with the appearance of having taken a lightsaber to the face already. In a universe where a dude had his legs cut off and burned to a crisp, and another who had been sliced in half, both survive.
 

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This is why I feel like Snoke isn't dead. He literally looks like something the force has kept alive with the appearance of having taken a lightsaber to the face already. In a universe where a dude had his legs cut off and burned to a crisp, and another who had been sliced in half, both survive.

Snoke is dead. There is absolutely no question that Rian Johnson killed Snoke.

That being said, Abrams is free to flip a middle finger right back at Johnson and decide that Snoke survived because reasons. In fact, he would probably become the biggest hero in the history of Star Wars if Ep 9 started with Rey suddenly waking up from a nightmare and realizing she had just arrived at Luke's planet to take him his lightsaber.
 
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In fact, he would probably become the biggest hero in the history of Star Wars if Ep 9 started with Rey suddenly waking up from a nightmare and realizing she had just arrived at Luke's planet to take him his lightsaber.

I'd reverse my stance on paying to see a Star Wars movie if I heard that's what happened at the beginning of ep 9
 
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Snoke is dead. There is absolutely no question that Rian Johnson killed Snoke.

That being said, Abrams is free to flip a middle finger right back at Johnson and decide that Snoke survived because reasons. In fact, he would probably become the biggest hero in the history of Star Wars if Ep 9 started with Rey suddenly waking up from a nightmare and realizing she had just arrived at Luke's planet to take him his lightsaber.

See my earlier comment on episode 8 being the season finale of DALLAS.
 

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Rustled by a friend of a friend who is arguing Luke had a "great arc", was "sick of all the Jedi BS' and didn't really try to kill Ben Solo.

The only Jedi experiences he had were with Obi Wan, Yoda and his father whom he successfully saved. I mean holy fuck.

I can forgive so much of this movie, including the casino and super Leia and Rose and Admiral Purple Hair and everything else. Luke though is completely fucked up and now he's dead. All the effort he spent in finally becoming a Jedi, training under Obi Wan and Yoda, struggling with his powers and control. Completely undone by Rey just doing whatever the fuck she needs to do and Yoda saying she has everything she needs. The Jedi Master who was literally riding Lukes back in a swamp, trained Jedi for a zillion years, complained Luke was too old to being the training, "A Jedi must have the deepest commitment"... or not.

Watch Yoda explaining the force to Luke, and then watch Luke's fucking slapstick touching Rey's hand with the twig "oooh it must be the force"
 
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They failed at the deconstruction as well. Star Wars is at heart about war. If you deconstruct war you end up with something like mash. That was no where to be seen in The Last Jedi. Just confused incoherent failing of mixed messages. With sacrifice of mostly women by noble selfless action being celebrated. But self sacrifice by male characters being wrong. Luke was the one self sacrificing male allowed in the movie. You know the guy who had plot armor seemingly miles thick by the point.

I tend to see the movie as being plot twist centered not a deconstructionist centered. So much crap to stop Rey from losing a hand.

It's even simpler than that. Nothing about the Star Wars story itself has ever been revolutionary, subverted genres or anything like that. Star Wars is fundamentally a formulaic monomyth/hero's journey of Luke Skywalker. It makes up for the formulaic nature of this with a few things. Cool universe, awesome special effects and good characters. These portions are awesome enough that they overshadow how simplistic it all actually is.

Rian comes around and decides that in his artistic genius he can subvert all that Star Wars is and it will be omg amazing and nobody will expect it. This pile of shit is the result. The Monomyth in this case is Rey's story. The monomyth has been around for literally centuries and removing key portions of it just makes it all fucking stupid. On top of all the other dumb shit he decided to do.
 
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Watch Yoda explaining the force to Luke, and then watch Luke's fucking slapstick touching Rey's hand with the twig "oooh it must be the force"

I didn't mind this bit of humour. It didn't seem too out of character for Luke. And a lot of Luke's humour felt like Hamill's humour, so it didn't bother me so much
 
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I didn't mind this bit of humour. It didn't seem too out of character for Luke. And a lot of Luke's humour felt like Hamill's humour, so it didn't bother me so much

Its not evem that it wasnt funny. I laughed. Kind of like Yoda saying "concentraaaaate!" In the originals as he falls because Luke drops him.

There's just no gravity counterbalancing it. Training her in any meaningful way is at best an afterthought. Yoda tosses it out completely.
 
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Its not evem that it wasnt funny. I laughed. Kind of like Yoda saying "concentraaaaate!" In the originals as he falls because Luke drops him.

There's just no gravity counterbalancing it. Training her in any meaningful way is at best an afterthought. Yoda tosses it out completely.

Any gravity the movie could have possibly had was tossed away over Luke's shoulder.
 
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why are you guys still arguing about this movie
 
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Responding to this one again because of something I've never seen happen before myself. I posted a response in the Blade Runner 2049 thread earlier today and then when I went to YouTube later what should show up in my recommended list? Yup, multiple Blade Runner review videos which I haven't seen in the list for a while now. Does their algorithm track shit like that?
did you click on an embedded YT vid? if so then that cookie info passed through.
 

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That being said, Abrams is free to flip a middle finger right back at Johnson and decide that Snoke survived because reasons. In fact, he would probably become the biggest hero in the history of Star Wars if Ep 9 started with Rey suddenly waking up from a nightmare and realizing she had just arrived at Luke's planet to take him his lightsaber.

HAHAHAHA that would be awesome.


Episode 9 The Force Re-Awakens


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It is a dark time for the rebels, there's only 5 of them left, and they need to go do..... ummmm

Anyway, Rey, the child of a random stranger and an alcoholic prostitute, is suddenly accosted by a vision...



Rey startles awake, in a cold sweat. She sees grey skies overhead, and an ephemeral face looks down at her, almost as if it's glowing. It's master Luke! But that glow, it seems to be fading...

"What the hell was that!" exclaims Rey. "I fought with Kylo Ren, Kylo killed Snoke, and you died for no reason at all!"

A very much alive Luke Skywalker says, "The Force can not only show you the future, but POSSIBLE futures as well, my young apprentice."
"That future you described sounds more tainted by the dark side than this milk. You still have much to learn, so quit fooling around and get back to studying how to be a Jedi, the last true force for good in the galaxy."
 
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