Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
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Royal
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Nope. Maybe just loading the page with them embedded is enough?
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I don't know how we can assume that his only jedi experiences were the ones we saw on screen in the OT. Luke having further conversations with Ben, Yoda, and Anakin in the intervening years as well as finding bits and pieces of jedi teachings and history that the Empire hadn't managed to destroy is more likely than him just sitting around talking to himself as the only living jedi, especially since he was intent on rebuilding the order at one time. Maybe you have never looked at some of what the jedi were peddling and thought it was fucked up but I have (specifically the parts with how they "recruit") and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. And I would think that at some point Luke would have had to wrestle with the fact that had his father not broke from jedi teachings he and Leia would have never been born. After failing with his academy I can see how a person with all of that on their plate who believes in a higher power might conclude that power has a plan that doesn't include the jedi anymore.
We've seen hints of this before now in some other characters like Ahsoka. She didn't go as far in that direction as Luke did but she also came to feel that while the jedi weren't bad there was something fundamentally wrong with the order.
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I get it, I do, but I don't have to like it. I'm not so casual that I don't care who is who or what is what in a movie if there is ACTION, but I'm not hard core enough to go out and read fan fiction just to know what the hell is going on in a movie. Seriously, I have yet to read a star wars novel that doesn't feel blah. I think it's crap that they set this up from the beginning like this, instead of using cinema to explain all of that in a movie, I have to go read some books that are in general horribly written? Oh well, I guess I'll give these a shot. But this is like Final Fantasy XV. To fully understand the story, I have to watch a movie, and some anime, instead of the developers just using the primary medium to tell the entire thing. It's just dumb.
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I haven't read most of it myself. I've read Bloodline which goes into the political stuff with Leia and some of how the FO was being supported by certain figures and I would rate that book as merely ok. The post RotJ demise of the Empire and setting up people who would later become important to the FO is in the Aftermath trilogy which I haven't read and don't really intend to. You may want to do like I did and just hit up Wookieepedia for any parts of it you're curious about.
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Ok cool, and I might. I still hate that, and have hated it since the Matrix did it with the Animatrix stuff. I don't mind a franchise branching across different mediums but keep the stories self contained in each medium. Like the KOTR games were set way in the past. The EU books were just a simple continuation of where the movies had left off. But don't force me to jump mediums just to have an idea of what is going on in the main one. I don't like reading star wars novels because what makes them so good to me does not translate well to the written page. And so far most of their cartoons have been meh too, which sucked for Revenge of the Sith since some of the major characters were mostly in the cartoons. (The robot guy)
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That's definitely not the approach that Lucasfilm takes with the expanded material. They populate those with interconnections with the movies to get people interested in them and feel like they're worth investing time and money into. In some cases they end up relying too much on those to prop up weak stories. But sometimes they do hit a pretty good balance. It's often interesting to see how people and events we're familiar with from the movies are perceived through different eyes.
As for the movies I agree they should have done a better job giving the FO and The Resistance some background but really not a lot more than what we got in them. Just a few major points. You don't have to go too far down the path of philosophical differences in governance before people start getting flashbacks to the taxation of trade routes.
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yeah. its partially interesting that while it was NOTED, by viewers/critis in TFA, the mental gymnastics required for the First order and Resistance was stupid. it wasn't till this movie, that it really just totally fell apart. Maybe people just assumed, there was more world,s Republic forces out there?
Was it because the end of The force Awakens totally failed to get across The First Order won? They destroy the base yes.. but, the Senate is gone, the other worlds surrendered. Snoke, etc, are all alive and well.
How much of the backstory is books, etc, vs hinted at in TFA? I'd say this is a big deal. the Text crawl in TFA does not explain shit about the the first orders rise, or excuse for the "resistance" existing.
Hux's speech could have been an exposition dump on the Republics failings, and how we got here. it wasn't. "They disarmed the galaxy. Leaving chaos, murder, anarchy among the defenseless systems. We will step in and bring order to the Republic. The cowardly Resistance are traitors, and terrorists"
Was it because the end of The force Awakens totally failed to get across The First Order won? They destroy the base yes.. but, the Senate is gone, the other worlds surrendered. Snoke, etc, are all alive and well.
How much of the backstory is books, etc, vs hinted at in TFA? I'd say this is a big deal. the Text crawl in TFA does not explain shit about the the first orders rise, or excuse for the "resistance" existing.
Hux's speech could have been an exposition dump on the Republics failings, and how we got here. it wasn't. "They disarmed the galaxy. Leaving chaos, murder, anarchy among the defenseless systems. We will step in and bring order to the Republic. The cowardly Resistance are traitors, and terrorists"
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Gavinmad
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Yeah being handed over to be executed for a crime you didn't commit can cause you to hold a grudge. If anything, I'd say she went farther than Luke did.
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The individual systems still had their own defense forces which was given a nod when Snoke said he had his legions deployed across the galaxy to consolidate control. That was one of the ideas behind the downsizing of the centralized military of the New Republic. It would be harder for anyone to rise to power and pull a Palpatine if a few individual systems could band together and match the Republic forces.
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Well she did outright leave the order so you're right on that count. But in her later interactions with Kanan and Ezra she didn't try to dissuade either of them from walking that path, she just stood firm in that she wasn't going to.
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This video really puts it in perspective as far as the DESTRUCTION goes, forget deconstructing. Nobody would have thought General Hux was going to become a "ya momma bitch" character in TLJ who plays with a dildo on the bridge of his ship when nobody is looking. I get he was being set up as a cuck in TFA, but he was still to be taken very seriously. He was more along the lines of an OT/prequel character than he was to the NT side of things. Rian really went out of his way to trample and maim everything JJ and Kasdan set up.
You guys talk about the humor. Its more than humor. It was a destruction of the antagonists, and in this so-called space opera that is more than a boner-killer for the whole trilogy. TFA will be that "yeah what happened" movie.
Who can take Hux seriously again in Ep 9 (unless JJ pulls the Gavinmad Bad Dream sequence). I won't put money up for that. I need serious respectable antagonists in my Star Wars movies.
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This is a good point I hadn't really considered. No one in the First Order seems at all ominous or powerful. I mean... they TELL us that Kylo has the most raw force power ever seen over and over but they never actually show it to us. The guy who supposedly man handled Luke looks like a chump in almost every fight scene he's in. The only thing he manages to wreck is his stupid helmet.
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saw this for third and final time today, and yeah the shitty parts of the movie really suck, i fell asleep twice too. Still, that six minute scene where Luke walks out of the Crait mining base and faces Kylo is pretty awesome, especially for a kid who grew up worshipping Luke Skywalker. I never thought in the past 35 years since ROTJ I'd ever see Luke Skywalker on screen again, and it sucks balls I don't get to see Luke's life in the 25 years in between ROTJ and TFA, but after pirate TLJ blurays are out I will definitely be cutting that six minute scene into a clip and adding it to my semi annual ANH/ESB/ROTJ marathon.
Maybe mix it in with the Rogue One vader scene.
I did notice a lot more "girl power" moments, like there are a few where Holdo is surrounded by women as she talks down to Poe, that stuff was really disappointing. I almost yelled at the screen when Rose looks around the Crait base and says "this is all the rebels left?" BITCH THIS IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT HOPE THOSE GODDAMN HORSE CATS WERE WORTH IT
Maybe mix it in with the Rogue One vader scene.
I did notice a lot more "girl power" moments, like there are a few where Holdo is surrounded by women as she talks down to Poe, that stuff was really disappointing. I almost yelled at the screen when Rose looks around the Crait base and says "this is all the rebels left?" BITCH THIS IS YOUR FUCKING FAULT HOPE THOSE GODDAMN HORSE CATS WERE WORTH IT
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