Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

jayrebb said:

Rian Johnson's entire instagram is members of the media and media event days and selfies with media guys during the press tour.

His. Entire. Instagram. If you let Rian sit down 1 on 1 with you and explain the entire movie and creative process you would be talked into a 10/10, and if you are a really hard sell then a hand-shake and video selfie and tag/shoutout of your nobody self on his social media profile will absolutely seal the deal. I don't give a fuck what you think of the guy. He directed a Star Wars movie. Him spending time with you is going to be a big deal.

And you are still wondering about TLJ reviews? He just about hauled off to the cemetery and tried to snap a picture with Ebert.

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If spending time with and interacting with critics on social media was all it took to get positive reviews then every director in Hollywood would be a Spielberg. Those things aren't that hard to do and every studio directly engages with the media for all of their major movies and many of their smaller ones. While schmoozing with reviewers certainly doesn't hurt it's not going to be enough to get your stinker, which many here think this movie to be, bumped up to misunderstood art house status in defiance of the masses. It probably has the most potential sway with some of the smaller outlet and independent reviewers for whom access is more of a big deal but once a person has been in the game long enough to have a sizeable following or work for a large enough outlet then that access becomes a matter of routine regardless of how they review any given movie.

spronk said:

TLJ was in many ways an Anti star wars movie, doing things that subverted typical star wars tropes - good and evil is absolute, good always wins, etc. Critics love shit that is different, not necessarily good. Most critics probably have little star wars in their bones, so they don't care about the things TLJ overturns.

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I agree and to it I would add that the movie went for a different sort of message than many critics probably expected from it. It's not hard to imagine someone who watches movies for a living having an affinity for the genuinely unexpected, particular where blockbusters are concerned. The central message of gleaning what you can from failure to fight a better fight another day probably made it more appealing to critics in general just by being there. But that sort of message isn't going to have the same sort of broad attraction with general audiences and certainly not with many lifelong Star Wars fans when it engulfs one of the original heroes of the franchise.

spronk said:

Contrast that with Bright which got savaged by critics,obviously isn't the great movie ever made but doesn't do anything really with race, semi stereotypes orcs as gang banging blacks but does absolutely nothing with racial identity, and just tells a pretty standard action story with no political or social message and you really get a sense that a lot of critics nowadays just care about getting people to watch movies that have a social message.

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And this happens as well. Another recent example is The Greatest Showman. It currently has a 55% critic rating on RT but a 90% audience score. The most consistent knock you see from critics is that the movie doesn't accurately depict the kind type of man P.T. Barnum was. It's a fuckin' musical, not a documentary. That really doesn't have any place in a review of that sort of movie.

kegkilla said:

If only there was some sort of method that Luke knew about that would allow him to lift a submerged X-wing to dry ground.

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The x wing was destroyed. He already parted it out for scrap

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To be fair, just because Ruin Johnson looked at the potential story threads in TFA and said "lol nah", doesn't mean JJ didn't plant those seeds

Jive Turkey said:

The x wing was destroyed. He already parted it out for scrap

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And Luke had been missing for years by that point. There's no telling how long the x-wing had been submerged, in sea water no less. The leaked images from the pinball game months ago showed the canopy was torn off so the electronics were probably shot.

Lanx said:

Wow the Resistance is shit, t-65??? that shit is 30years old, Poe drives the T-70 now, The one and only Jedi Master in the galaxy is cruisin around in a fucking Model T. Also don't you need an astromech to calculate Hyperdrive? shouldn't he be strolling around milk island w/ bbfake? or something?

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It was his old fighter. He hung on to it for sentimental reasons I'm sure. Plus in the lore R2 and the fighter's computer had worked together so much that it had developed computational advantages when paired with the droid.

Potential BF2 spoiler:

Why the fuck would Luke have needed a ship when he obviously could have just used the force to leave the planet and enter hyperspace?

kegkilla said:

Let's not play the "cover up for shitty movies by pointing to shit not in the movies" game.

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Is one of your complaints about this movie not that there was no continuity from the last one and that most of the plot points were thrown in the garbage?

kegkilla said:

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. But either way, based on the actual events of 8, all of these dipshits who tried to defend the end of 7 based on that argument should be here humbly admitting that the story as now laid out is pure Disney princess fairytale bullshit and shits all over the struggles and adversity that other heroes in the story, particularly Luke, had to go through to achieve strength.

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Not saying I disagree

The Finn/Rose storyline single handedly caps this movie at no higher than 65% alone, and would do so regardless of which actress was playing Rose. What a waste of time that whole thing was with numerous cringeworthy moments.

This was a 50% movie.

Lanx said:

fuck, i just got up to that part where luke took the compass from del!!!

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I thought he got it in a cache of artifacts the Emperor had hidden away?