Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

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Saw it this afternoon, 2D IMAX. I thought it was great overall. Will need to do a rewatch before really coming to a conclusion, but some of you faggots must be impossible to be around IRL.

It's not hard sci-fi, it's not supposed to be believable, it's fantasy in space.
 
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Saw it this afternoon, 2D IMAX. I thought it was great overall. Will need to do a rewatch before really coming to a conclusion, but some of you faggots must be impossible to be around IRL.

It's not hard sci-fi, it's not supposed to be believable, it's fantasy in space.

Opinions are cool and all, but how you can think what they did to Luke's character was Great is mind-boggling. I mean, by 6 year old daughter thought it was great also...but yea I am impossible to be around IRL so that parts true
 
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That version of Luke is pretty much exactly what an ornery old hermit who has spent the last couple decades living in seclusion after failing so dramatically. I thought Mark Hamill played it well, both as the hermit and as the disappointed master.
 
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Saw it this afternoon, 2D IMAX. I thought it was great overall. Will need to do a rewatch before really coming to a conclusion, but some of you faggots must be impossible to be around IRL.

It's not hard sci-fi, it's not supposed to be believable, it's fantasy in space.

Nothing wrong with fantasy in space...but too much of the movie was a bad rehash of Speed that Keanu, Bullock, and Dennis Hopper already did much better. Also the sidequest that not only didn't accomplish anything, but didn't need to be undertaken in the first place
 

Merrith

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That version of Luke is pretty much exactly what an ornery old hermit who has spent the last couple decades living in seclusion after failing so dramatically. I thought Mark Hamill played it well, both as the hermit and as the disappointed master.

I think everyone agrees Mark Hamill played the role that was written for him as well as it could be done.
 
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Miguex

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Fuck, this would've been awesome and now I'm mad they didn't do it that way
You can’t have it this way because Poe never would have stood up to that character with all the legend and experience behind him, as opposed to new rando vice admiral
 

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i hope at least we can all degree it was nice that they finally made a star wars movie that didn't involve a death star
 
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This movie has four acts (or seems to have four anyway), this is why it feels weird and long to watch since most movies have three.
Act 1 - Meeting Luke/Dreadnaught Fight
Act 2 - Jedi Training/Space Pursuit/Casino planet
Act 3 - Conflict on Snokes ship
Act 4 - The land battle

I know a lot of you are saying that the casino planet stuff was horrible, but really the whole climax of the film was in the throne room and it should've ended shortly after that. The whole land battle portion of the movie threw the pacing of the movie off technically that should've been where the denouement was.

For example Ep IV:
Act 1 - Tatooine
Act 2 - Princess Rescue
Act 3 - Deathstar Battle

ESB
Act 1 - Hoth
Act 2 - Bespin/Dagobah
Act 3 - Vader Duel

ROTJ
Act 1 - Jabba's Palace
Act 2 - Endor
Act 3 - Final Battle

TFA
Act 1 - Escape from Jakku
Act 2 - Meet Han go to Forest planet
Act 3 - Starkiller Base
 
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Well I run from hot to cold on this one.

The parts that worked, for me, worked extremely well. But there are certainly some ugh moments. Like for so many others here, the Carrie Poppins bit. That was so poorly executed I don't know how it made through to the final edit. There are several others but like that one they tend to be moments. Some broader sorts of issues would be some of the characters, like BDT's. I didn't like his personalty quirks at all. Finn and Phasma continued on their trajectory of being oversold and underdelivered.

For the parts that worked I could write a long detailed summary but it would read an awful lot like the one @Qhue made a few pages back. I was struck in a lot of the same ways and had a lot of similar takeaways. It stirred up a few quotes in my mind as I was watching it.

"The line separating good and evil runs through every human heart" (though in the language of Star Wars it would read "light and dark"). We saw that struck out in broad relief in a few of the characters, but especially Luke. I get that Luke fans will likely come away from this thinking it an assassination of his character but that is something I have always seen in him, just never so finely realized as here. That darkness isn't limited to just anger, hatred and fear. It also includes despair. That ended up being the part of the internal darkness that Luke fell into. Despair is what sent his father down the path that he eventually walked as well (though he did pick up anger and hatred along the way). But it didn't send Luke to anything like those same places. In that I didn't see the Luke they presented as a failure of the character. Enough of the younger Luke was still there to ultimately pull him back. (And man that scene where R2 played the old Leia message put a big fuckin' lump in my throat and got me a little misty).

Admittedly it's easy to stir LOTR to my mind: "This is the hour of the Shire folk when they arise from their quiet fields to shake the towers and counsels of the Great." Rey Random. I've never been invested in Rey being descended from this or that person and the question of who she is was never that alluring to me. The amount of effort and attention that some poured into the question was always more fascinating to me than the question itself. So her being a "nobody" (if indeed she is, I don't think that was definitively answered) is perfectly acceptable to me. In fact it's preferable to a convoluted contrivance to make her the daughter or granddaughter of some notable.

I'm sure I'll have more as I chew on it for a while. And likely some additional bits I don't particularly like the flavor of.
 
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The whole casino plot was extremely stupid/pointless, in the end they ended up with absolutely nothing, it was a giant nothing burger. Everything would have happened the same if they hadn't done it and in fact less people would have died because BDJ's character wouldn't have been there to tell the empire about the plan.
 
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Just saw Empire Strikes Back. It was ok, some unexpected plot twists, but not sure why they wasted so much time on that useless Cloud City Han/Lando subplot. Han gets arrested, beaten up, tortured and frozen in a block of ice at the end and accomplishes nothing. Not sure what the point of the Lando character is if he just keeps betraying everyone. Should have cut it to focus on more interesting Luke/Vader stuff.

And C-3PO getting torn apart and carried on Chewbacca's back? Forced humor for the kids. Come on, Star Wars is for adults.

6/10.
 
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I've seen it twice now and thought it was incredibly better the second time. I'll write something longer at a later time but I encourage everyone to see it of course. I feel like all the time watching the animated Clone Wars and Rebels opened up the world a little more to me mystically speaking and that paid off in this a bit. I'd put it at an 8+/10. The good stuff is incredibly good, the common things that people mention as a negative are worth a mention, but this movie just expanded the box bigtime.
 
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If I had one of JJ Abrams stupid fucking superweapons from any of the god awful movies he has directed, I'd use it to destroy the earth so that everyone who thinks this was a great movie would be dead.
 
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Maybe but most people I’m talking too who liked AFA are appalled by this movie. Lol

I'm one of them. While I found TFA really refreshing(I'd say it was a solid 7/10)and hopeful for the future of Star Wars, this movie just as easily crushed all those hopes. It wasn't prequel levels of horrible, but, I honestly thought there was no way this would be worse than Rogue One(which I thought was pretty terrible)and it managed to pull it off.
 
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I'm one of them. While I found TFA really refreshing(I'd say it was a solid 7/10)and hopeful for the future of Star Wars, this movie just as easily crushed all those hopes. It wasn't prequel levels of horrible, but, I honestly thought there was no way this would be worse than Rogue One(which I thought was pretty terrible)and it managed to pull it off.


Yeah I gave TFA 7/10 too.
 

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On a second watch, I enjoyed it a bit more, though I saw it in IMAX this time just for the visuals alone. I guess knowing ahead of time which parts to just start tuning out helped.

The goddamn throne room scene is by far my favorite and I enjoyed it even more this time. I was really hoping the story would lead to Rey and Kylo splitting off and doing some grey jedi-esque shit together and parting from both Luke and Snoke, so this lovely few minutes of them working together makes the movie for me, even if it was short-lived.

I really hope they let Hux be less of a bitch in the next movie. I really, really want to like his character but they just keep fucking him.

I don't want to be mean, but could they have at least picked a better actress for Rose's stupid ass character? Bitch just has such a punchable fucking face and a retard run. Should have given us more of her sister instead.
 
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Saw it finally and I liked it.

Poe (and Finn) running the "we're the only ones who know how to save ya'll" but ending up in the wrong was unexpected for a Disney blockbuster and pretty cool. Visuals were great. Mark Hamill was fantastic (I can see the criticism in where they took Luke, but I think Mark Hamill sold it and it worked for the most part). Fights were great, especially the Throne room one.

Was afraid TFA was just a fluke and Disney ultimately couldn't deliver more than prequel-shit like Rogue One on an annual basis, but with 2 good one vs. 1 dumpster fire, the track record looks good. Looking forward to episode 9.
 
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On a second watch, I enjoyed it a bit more, though I saw it in IMAX this time just for the visuals alone. I guess knowing ahead of time which parts to just start tuning out helped.

The goddamn throne room scene is by far my favorite and I enjoyed it even more this time. I was really hoping the story would lead to Rey and Kylo splitting off and doing some grey jedi-esque shit together and parting from both Luke and Snoke, so this lovely few minutes of them working together makes the movie for me, even if it was short-lived.

I really hope they let Hux be less of a bitch in the next movie. I really, really want to like his character but they just keep fucking him.

I don't want to be mean, but could they have at least picked a better actress for Rose's stupid ass character? Bitch just has such a punchable fucking face and a retard run. Should have given us more of her sister instead.
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More of this one, less the other would have been much better.

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We saw it today in an iPic Theater, which is a food serving, private booth seating place that I highly recommend. Overall I dug it, despite disliking a lot of what others here didn't like:
-The incursion of contemporary politics into Star Wars ala Planet Letthemeatcake, Admiral PurpleHair, Non-comforming Body type Actress totally not to boost Chinese boxoffice, #theResistance, First Order of White Guys vs. Metro Rainbows who light fires and love things fighting for all the good causes.

-Leia Poppins (meh in concept, looked terrible on screen, Justice League levels of CGI)

-Luke's tale. That video with Luke up-page captures my feelings. I knew he would not make it out of this movie, based upon earlier comments Mark Hammil made about this being "not their story anymore". With Han's death in VII and /Episode IX originally going to be focused on Leia, that makes this a one movie journey. I really wanted to see him go out in style, though, being a bad ass, crushing the gorilla walkers, etc. It's just not that story, though. Once you understand its a different story with different heroes/protagonists being told in the same universe, its makes everything better, at least for me.

-I was thrilled with them killing Snoke "early" as it were; I hated that we never found out any of the answers around him. That's JJ-BS and totally a shit move.

-The slow speed sub-light chase. I know it exists to add urgency but this kind of fakey narrative plot device always sits wrong with me, particularly when they invent it out of whole cloth, or stole it directly from Battlestar. It contradicts cannon "they can track across light speed?!" (as so much about these new movies do) but only to add time pressures to Finn/Rose's and Poe/Holdo-Purple Hair's story-lines surely they can find a way to do that without inventing new tech powers constantly. "Hey, our new Death Star will kill whole *systems*".

-Along that last line, if jumping to lightspeed makes a cruiser into such a badass weapon, why didn't they break one of the others off and do that earlier? Why isn't that a part of regular tactics. Note: regardless of "plothole", its an amazing scene of cinema, though, and worth it just for the moment it evokes.

-Upright space bombers? F you. I know its space fantasy but come on. I am just saying. Make a better answer you crude neaderthals.

There are now two love triangles, between Finn/Rey/Kylo-Ben and Rey/Finn/Rose.
Sorry if that's a bit of a jumbled mess, but with a movie like this... /laugh track
Overall, even with all of that complaining, I would still say its a 9/10 but I could lower that by a full point depending on my second viewing. I don't think I would go lower than an 8/10. Its nowhere near the travesty of the Prequels, I knew immediately what those were before I left the theater.
Its not the Star Wars Episode VIII I would make, to be sure; all of my choices, much like Mark Hamill's, would have been different. It is still, even if for a new age, Star Wars.
 
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Overall, I really enjoyed the movie (I caught one of the first shows Thursday night). My biggest critique is that they seemingly had a list of "moments" that they wanted in the movie and shaped the plot around those moments. My biggest praise is that they showed actual character development and growth for almost every character throughout the film. That's something I didn't know was possible in a modern Star Wars movie since the last time we saw it was in RotJ.

It's easy to hate this movie if you take it at face value and ignore the countless nuanced character moments.
 
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