Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Leon · Dec 16, 2017

I'm a huge SW fan, i grew up on them. Played with the toys, saw the original trilogy probly 30 times if not more in my childhood.

The prequels were awful. Rogue one was not good, but it was ok for what it tried to accomplish.

Force awakens left me wanting, didn't hate it, didn't like it, it just didn't have those moments when you go: Woah that was really cool. The kinda shit you talk with your friends later.

But this? This shit is insulting. No pacing at all. Just disjointed scenes, dragging on for no purpose. So much shit made no sense.

Luke milking a sea cow and looking at Rei with his creepy fucking face and green milk in his beard. The fuck was that?

The forced humor. None of this shit was funny. Not a single bit. The acting was horrendous.

Force ghosts can set shit on fire now? Hit people? The fuck is this? The yoda scene was completely unnecessary and out of place.

The casino scene, lmao. Come on. You're not even trying to hide you have no fucking idea what the fuck to throw in those movies anymore. The racing beast scene, what a crock of shit.

SJW purple hair female admiral out of nowhere. Zero credibility. 'i like him!' Get the fuck out of here with that corny shit.

Lightsaber battles were garbage. Snoke dies like a little bitch. I CAN SEE HIS MIND, I KNOW EVERYTHING. Except that!

Leia in space force pulling herself to the ship? After surviving an explosion that took out all the veteran hardened admirals? Why sure, totally believable!

Fat asian chick with shit job get inspired and become a hero, falls in love allt he in span of ....12 hours. Gives an awkward kiss then falls unconscious awkwardly to set a love triangle nobody gives a fuck about. Why is Rei so attached to Fin anyway? They shared 1 day of space adventures. No rime or reason.

Godamn i could write 10 pages of shit that pisses me off about this movie. And i'm probably stupid enough to go see the next one cause i'm a stubborn dumbshit and i WILL see this shit through.

Fuck.

Gavinmad · Dec 16, 2017

Yeah my mistake for engaging him, I forgot that Edge is the dude who thinks the Matrix sequels were good.

Chris · Dec 16, 2017

I just realised that all the speculation raised by Force Awakens has been answered with "doesn't really matter" and there's nothing new to speculate about for Episode 9... WTF.

Merrith · Dec 16, 2017

Random thought. Anyone without looking it up know the name of the planet they were evacuating in the beginning? The name of Rose's sister? Everyone knows Hoth, though. Porkins? People know him. Biggs Darklighter? You know him too.

Leon · Dec 16, 2017

Merrith said:
Random thought. Anyone without looking it up know the name of the planet they were evacuating in the beginning? The name of Rose's sister? Everyone knows Hoth, though. Porkins? People know him. Biggs Darklighter? You know him too.

Yep. 100 percent forgettable bullshit

I don't even know the name of the planet they fled to at the end. Shit, hell if i'd remember the name of the planet Luke was on.

Pemulis · Dec 16, 2017

the only way the phantom menance could not be ranked absolute last on anyone’s list is if it is tied for worst with attack of the clones

Chris · Dec 16, 2017

Pemulis said:
the only way the phantom menance could not be ranked absolute last on anyone’s list is if it is tied for worst with attack of the clones

Duel of the Fates?

I'd rather have Jar Jar Binks over Admiral SJW/Rose cringe, Jar Jar was an out of place dumb and childish character you'd see in an animated movie not cringe making your skin crawl.

The ending is just as messed up as Phantom Menance's, just in a different way - two endings with two plots in each rather than four simultaneous plots.

Masakari · Dec 16, 2017

Dudes, just got back from the movie.
From a pure enjoyment perspective and as a fan, I give it a solid 10/10.

The only thing I didn't like is that they never explained who or what Snoke was. Everything else was very fulfilling as a viewer.

Remmy said:
This movie was 70% garbage. It's like watching star wars + the three stooges as the entire supporting cast. How many times did they have to verbally say what was happening in a scene just to make sure the dumb fuck audience understood what was obviously fucking happening?

Also fuck the shitty sjw acting cast. If you want to make a fucking movie diverse get good diverse actors and give them lines that aren't shit.

I gave 0 fucks/feels about anyone that wasn't original cast. In fact I was hoping most of the supporting cast would bite it hard. Who writes this shit? Why the fuck do the rebellion members act like dip shit children instead of actual grizzled motherfuckers? Why do the big players in the empire act like shitty written cartoon characters?

Give me this you fucks.

Bragon said:
I'm a huge SW fan, i grew up on them. Played with the toys, saw the original trilogy probly 30 times if not more in my childhood.

The prequels were awful. Rogue one was not good, but it was ok for what it tried to accomplish.

Force awakens left me wanting, didn't hate it, didn't like it, it just didn't have those moments when you go: Woah that was really cool. The kinda shit you talk with your friends later.

But this? This shit is insulting. No pacing at all. Just disjointed scenes, dragging on for no purpose. So much shit made no sense.

Luke milking a sea cow and looking at Rei with his creepy fucking face and green milk in his beard. The fuck was that?

The forced humor. None of this shit was funny. Not a single bit. The acting was horrendous.

Force ghosts can set shit on fire now? Hit people? The fuck is this? The yoda scene was completely unnecessary and out of place.

The casino scene, lmao. Come on. You're not even trying to hide you have no fucking idea what the fuck to throw in those movies anymore. The racing beast scene, what a crock of shit.

SJW purple hair female admiral out of nowhere. Zero credibility. 'i like him!' Get the fuck out of here with that corny shit.

Lightsaber battles were garbage. Snoke dies like a little bitch. I CAN SEE HIS MIND, I KNOW EVERYTHING. Except that!

Leia in space force pulling herself to the ship? After surviving an explosion that took out all the veteran hardened admirals? Why sure, totally believable!

Fat asian chick with shit job get inspired and become a hero, falls in love allt he in span of ....12 hours. Gives an awkward kiss then falls unconscious awkwardly to set a love triangle nobody gives a fuck about. Why is Rei so attached to Fin anyway? They shared 1 day of space adventures. No rime or reason.

Godamn i could write 10 pages of shit that pisses me off about this movie. And i'm probably stupid enough to go see the next one cause i'm a stubborn dumbshit and i WILL see this shit through.

Fuck.

It was a great movie and you both sound extremely emotional. When'd you let your imaginations die and feel that Disney owes you so much? Just be thankful and stop whining.

Lithose · Dec 16, 2017

khorum said:
That dichotomy wasn't resolved by him---even at the very end he was conflicted and he couldn't do what he'd wanted to do until he got some help from a friend.

Besides it's only a dichotomy if you consider that hero's journey to be an INTERNAL one---it was not. All of Luke's trials and tribulations before have been externalizations imposed on him. Rescuing Leia, his father's crimes, Palpatine etc were all external challenges and what failures he had to absorb were imposed by circumstances beyond his control.

Is it so remarkable that people change the most when they're confronted by a failure from within their own character? When everything he believed is challenged and found defective? That's not remarkable at all, it's pretty much a cliche.

The problem is, where did the failure within himself come from? His internal logic and self up until he tried to murder a child was obscenely hopeful in good outcomes. And he was consistently rewarded for that with amazing wins that should have flooded his mind with enough dopamine to get him hooked on being naively hopeful.

Seriously. Not a single time Luke chose to place his faith in others was he let down. Faith Han Solo is more than a greedy asshole--Han Solo comes back and saves him, becomes a good guy. Faith his genocidal father who killed his family and teacher will respond to a few kind words from his son and defeat the eternal darkness with? Reward--father saves him, destroys the Empire for him.

Dude is batting a thousand with believing in the best in people, and the universe has been sucking his dick for being naively hopeful literally every time he does so. But then a child he senses some darkness in and decides "No, this mother fucker...I need to kill".

It's just so absurd. There needed to be a lead up to that. Like constant failures in corrupt world leaders as he tried to rebuild the Republic. Realizing his hopeful attitude toward people was consistently repaid with back stabbing and viciousness, and his exploits before were flukes. Give him that "glory years passed with college" bitter old man vibe where he realizes all of his success was a fluke, he got lucky, and it will never come again. Someone broken down like that, and cynical of the world--I could see him thinking for a moment that it would be better to 'fix" problems before they started.

But none of that happened. He just went nuts.

Warrik · Dec 16, 2017

This was a giant letdown. Way too many cringey moment. Characters who were completely wasted. Getting really tired of blatant politically correct characer choices who are just plain bad (looking at you Rose).

This was pre-quel bad. Just bad.

Synj · Dec 16, 2017

Merrith said:
Random thought. Anyone without looking it up know the name of the planet they were evacuating in the beginning? The name of Rose's sister? Everyone knows Hoth, though. Porkins? People know him. Biggs Darklighter? You know him too.

Bragon said:
Yep. 100 percent forgettable bullshit

I don't even know the name of the planet they fled to at the end. Shit, hell if i'd remember the name of the planet Luke was on.

Arguing just to argue.

I think a lot of those details were cemented by years of repetition, toy sales, comics, video games, etc. Did anyone remember or even know the name of Jabba's Gamorrean guards from RotJ? I don't think the term AT-AT Walker was ever even said in ESB but any kid growing up at the time called them AT-ATs or AT-AT walkers (at least in my neighborhood we did). But again, I think that might have been more from studying them in the JCPenney catalog. I don't think anyone knew Porkins or Biggs Darklighter after their first viewing?

I feel like as I age, that kind of minutiae is lost on me. I don't have the time or inclination for repeated viewings and I do not immerse myself in things the way I used to. The same thing applies to music and video games and books. I just don't have that kind of time anymore. Just my thoughts.

spronk · Dec 16, 2017

Read a great what if today morning

What if the Throne Room scene ended with Rey vs Kylo Ren with Rey killing Kylo Ren and taking over The First Order as a force for good. Then the end coulda been Dark Rey vs Luke, Rey wins and the next movie coulda taken place 20-30 years later, older Queen Rey of the Third Galactic Empire has to fight a true sith lord who is coming back from the Outer Rim or some other shit, but then you're just re-doing ANH again kinda...

Feanor · Dec 16, 2017

jayrebb said:
Jives with what I've been hearing about the Lucas Film writer's room. Too many millennial and Gen X'ers involved.

This movie sort of solidified the rumormilling. If it doesn't hit commercially I'd sack Kathleen Kennedy now while there is still a chance to get someone more senior in charge.

The mixture of the Disney/Kennedy angle plus Rian's vision seems like it was too much "Oh YEAH, well we're gonna do THIS instead!! Fuck you" involved. Creatively, you only want 1 "fuck you'er" involved. You never go 2 fuck-you's. Minus Rian or Disney?-- the script would be flipped.

Say it again. You never go 2 fuck-you's.

Suppose that's true. For a franchise like this it might be good having one dude that's creative and willing to say fuck you to everything while having another dude that's traditional who reins the other in.

Muligan said:
The more I think about the Casino planet the more I felt my distaste for it comes from the fact it looks like a direct copy from Fantastic Beasts. Felt more like the Jazz club from FBAWTFT rather than the Cantina. I think if it would have featured a Hutt or two in addition to it just being a new planet, that would have made it much better. I was looking for them to crash through the Bank at Gringots at any frame.

Going to watch it again this weekend or early next week. I've been reading the second time around is better so we shall see. I'm still in the 7.5 - 8.5 / 10 after digesting everything.

Couldn't care less for the subplot characters. A lot of it felt slightly not Star Wars, which I'm uncertain is a bad thing but it did not sit well. This post from the other thread sums it up.

zignor 4 said:
As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars began in 1977 and ended in 1983. The rest is just expensive EU.

Synj · Dec 16, 2017

I enjoyed the movie a lot. Some genuinely emotional moments for me (probably due to nostalgia), and I thought the humor was perfectly Star Warsy. The pacing was a bit off but overall I thought it was fine. Could have cut out 15-25 minutes easily, but honestly that's most movies today. These 2.5+ hour juggernauts are the new norm and it's a stupid industry wide issue.

I think someone here might have said it, but I was appreciative that this was a new SW movie without feeling entirely like a rehash.

The casino was dumb. Completely unnecessary. I loved Benicio del Toro. Just one McGuffin too many. The milk cow was dumb. Why?

If they had put the Snoke/Kylo/Rey fight parallel to the final ground battle, I think that could have played way better and REALLY helped the pacing/length. But as someone pointed out, that might be too much of a rehash of RoTJ (I think people underestimate how great that triple arc was).

Luke on the Millennium Falcon finding out about Han's death was touching to me. Not overplayed but sentimental in my eyes. Luke's sacrifice was also a big deal for me and while I knew it was coming, I kinda mouthed to myself, "Luke Skywalker is dead". Small lump in my throat at that.

The betrayal of Snoke really undermined Snoke's ability/power. But the movie did a pretty great job of building tension. I know people hate on Kylo Ren for being too emo, but I think he is a complex and sympathetic character. What wasn't answered, why was he so easily seduced by the dark side? Why was he such a threat to Luke? Why did they make Luke act SO unlike Luke in that moment?

I liked the tension, I liked the humor, I liked the action, I liked most of the characters. I'm interested how my thoughts on this one will evolve upon repeat viewings, but I wasn't disappointed. I was happy to have my nostalgia stroked and there were enough meaningful/semi-surprising moments for me to enjoy the movie.

DickTrickle · Dec 16, 2017

Synj said:
Arguing just to argue.

I think a lot of those details were cemented by years of repetition, toy sales, comics, video games, etc. Did anyone remember or even know the name of Jabba's Gamorrean guards from RotJ? I don't think the term AT-AT Walker was ever even said in ESB but any kid growing up at the time called them AT-ATs or AT-AT walkers (at least in my neighborhood we did). But again, I think that might have been more from studying them in the JCPenney catalog. I don't think anyone knew Porkins or Biggs Darklighter after their first viewing?

I feel like as I age, that kind of minutiae is lost on me. I don't have the time or inclination for repeated viewings and I do not immerse myself in things the way I used to. The same thing applies to music and video games and books. I just don't have that kind of time anymore. Just my thoughts.

Completely agree. I think people tend to discount all that time and nostalgia.

Synj · Dec 16, 2017

khorum said:
That last duel...

between Ben and Luke I thought it was intentionally obvious that Luke was a hologram/astral projection...Rian telegraphed it with those shots of Luke's feet NOT leaving any red footprints on Crait.

I gasped when I caught it and most the folks who saw it with me noticed too. There was a moment I thought he may have teleported himself after I thought he nicked Ben but he still didnt leave red footprints even as they fought.

Holy shit I can't believe I didn't pick up on that. I noticed when Luke noticed his feet but I thought that he was noticing a telegraphed weakness or something like that. It didn't even dawn on me until I read this and I even wondered to myself after the movie was over, "I wonder what the foot thing was about?" LOL! Thank you!

Merrith · Dec 16, 2017

Synj said:
Arguing just to argue.

I think a lot of those details were cemented by years of repetition, toy sales, comics, video games, etc. Did anyone remember or even know the name of Jabba's Gamorrean guards from RotJ? I don't think the term AT-AT Walker was ever even said in ESB but any kid growing up at the time called them AT-ATs or AT-AT walkers (at least in my neighborhood we did). But again, I think that might have been more from studying them in the JCPenney catalog. I don't think anyone knew Porkins or Biggs Darklighter after their first viewing?

I feel like as I age, that kind of minutiae is lost on me. I don't have the time or inclination for repeated viewings and I do not immerse myself in things the way I used to. The same thing applies to music and video games and books. I just don't have that kind of time anymore. Just my thoughts.

Pretty sure everyone knew Porkins from the "Cover me Porkins" right before he's shown on screen. Biggs literally bites it/sacrifices himself to cover Luke on the trench run. I doubt anyone knew "AT-AT" unless the toys were labeled until the AT-ST's were in Jedi and the distinction was made. But everyone knew what Imperial walkers were (which they did say in the movie)

Gavinmad · Dec 16, 2017

I remember Jakku, but I can't remember the name of the second planet they were on or what the name of the system was that got blown up by Starkiller Base. I damn sure remembered the name Alderaan after the first time I watched Ep 4 though.

a c i d.f l y · Dec 16, 2017

Gavinmad said:
I remember Jakku, but I can't remember the name of the second planet they were on or what the name of the system was that got blown up by Starkiller Base. I damn sure remembered the name Alderaan after the first time I watched Ep 4 though.

The planets destroyed in TFA were essentially nameless "Rebel homeworlds", meanwhile Alderaan was home for Leia, her family, and the core of the rebellion. Even Vader pulling her close when the Deathstar fired had double meaning when you find out she's his daughter. Regardless of whether either of them were aware of that at the time. Speaking of which, how did Vader know Luke was his son, and Leia not (his daughter)? That unknown subtlety is heavily missing from all SW post originals.

a c i d.f l y · Dec 16, 2017

Remmy said:
How many times did they have to verbally say what was happening in a scene just to make sure the dumb fuck audience understood what was obviously fucking happening?

Also fuck the shitty sjw acting cast. If you want to make a fucking movie diverse get good diverse actors and give them lines that aren't shit.

This shit right here is what made me rage so hard watching Star Trek Discovery.

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