Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Chris · Dec 18, 2019

This sounds so bad that I'm nostalgic for Count Dooku.

I booked my tickets for Cats anyway, I suggest you all do the same. Do your part to fuck this movie.

Arbitrary · Dec 18, 2019

Synj said:
I think it would have been cool to have A ninja buzz saw Jedi aka a Mace Windu or something that excelled in swordplay/acrobatics. But yeah, everyone a ninja was a bad decision.

Laser sword samurai that reflect bullets is already so much awesomeness without the need to keep cranking up the frame rate.

jayrebb · Dec 18, 2019

Synj said:
Yeah, that's why Disney bought it for $4B (the same price they paid for Marvel) and each canon movie was either the biggest opener or biggest grossing movie of the year or both when they were released. Because they were divisive.

Universally popular might be hyperbole but don't be dense, this is a train wreck BECAUSE of how popular and loved Star Wars is/was. People don't want to hate it, they're being pushed away by agenda/ineptitude/misreading the audience.

Your ability to gauge the cultural pulse is off.

I'd add to your post that the Zahn trilogy came out in the 1990's.

His ability to gauge the EU quality is also off. Seems like another edgy take. "The EU hasn't been good since 1981".

OK boomer.

Synj · Dec 18, 2019

Blakkheim said:

That's fake. Here's the actual scene.

Eat your heart out

Adebisi

Mist · Dec 18, 2019

wormie said:
Wat? No one accepted Purgatory as an explanation until the end of this garbage.

Chuk is actually correct. "They're all in purgatory" was the original fan theory all the way from Season 1.

wormie · Dec 18, 2019

Mist said:
Chuk is actually correct. "They're all in purgatory" was the original fan theory all the way from Season 1.

It was one of the many theories. It was not the accepted theory.

jayrebb · Dec 18, 2019

nerds could go one and on about the extended universe in reality it hasn't been good since the early 80s

Let's go ahead and fully debunk this statement.

Not only did Zahn trilogy release in the 90's,

but yet another EU classic came out in 1996.

1996 Kevin J. Anderson-edited Tales of the Bounty Hunters

Could it be that this is another edgy take from a FOH blowhard? It just might be!

Mist · Dec 18, 2019

wormie said:
It was one of the many theories. It was not the accepted theory.

Only because of some reddit AMA or something like that where the showrunners were like "nope that's not it!"

It was the only theory that made any sense from the start.

Merrith · Dec 18, 2019

Gavinmad said:
Extra-galactic invaders called the Yuuzhan Vong, kick the shit out of the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant after dropping a moon on Chewbacca. Han and Leia's youngest son dies which is a big part of what eventually drives Jacen Solo the dark side, becoming known as Darth Caedus and being a general galaxy wrecking badass until he is eventually killed in a lightsaber duel by his twin sister Jaina.

But that's more like episodes 7-12, or even 7-15.

That's more like 13-15. 7-9 EU was the Zahn Thrawn trilogy, and frankly I assume most older Star Wars fans will continue to consider those the best 7-9 they could have done.

LachiusTZ · Dec 18, 2019

Marvel movies held to established lore, from what I understand.

Start wars literally disregarded all the lore, and embarked on an epic sjw marathon of shit.

There was easily a decade of solid Star wars lore they could have used.

Runnen said:
Ok I said I was done here but fuck I can't let that pass because that goes beyond not paying attention to the sequels it's like basic movie watching 101 right there.

Are you really arguing why Leia and Han named their kid Ben after the man that :

- saved Luke and Leia's mother after Vader left her for dead so she could deliver the babies
- brought Leia to her adoptive family on Aldeeran and Luke to the Lars on Tatooine and watched over him for 20 years
- had served her father during the Clone Wars, which is why her message called for his help
- launched a mission to rescue her, then sacrificed his life to give them time to escape
- further helped Luke from beyond death so he could topple the Empire and restore freedom to the galaxy

as opposed to the man that :

- betrayed them at Cloud City, leading Han to torture, freezing and capture by Boba Fett and Jabba.
- later made up for it by infiltrating Jabba's Palace, saving Han and helping in the battle of Endor.

I mean, both are heroes, but clearly if I had to pick which one I want my kid named after, I'd choose Ben too. Plus Lando Solo kind of sounds retarded.. which I guess would fit right into the Star Wars naming scheme, so you have a point there.

And yes I know in the classics Leia had no idea Obi-Wan did some of those things for her in retrospect, but Luke must have told her everything about it after ROTJ and that's how the decision to name the kid Ben came from.

Seriously, there's enough bullshit and terrible stuff in these sequels to nitpick and hate, but THAT is what triggers you?

Merrith · Dec 18, 2019

Slaanesh69 said:
Wait, what? How in the fuck was TLJ "Luke's movie"???? Aside from making him an insufferable cunt drinking blue alien tit milk and bitching about everything and not doing anything until his retarded end. It was a movie to destroy the character of Luke Skywalker, I will concede that. Along with Vader's redemption, he helped save the fucking known universe from evil. And then it was "fuck your lightsaber" and blue alien tit milk.

And why would anyone who Star Warses give two flying fucks about Princess Leia?? She was a secondary character, the Princess Peach of the original Trilogy, the damsel in distress, but the whole "Luke's Sister" meant pathetic scrambling to get a "strong female" - better than Mary Sue Rey, I suppose. Carrie Fisher was, by all measures, a nasty addict and horrible to work with, and disliked by almost everyone........no one wanted to showcase her in anything. Seriously.

Anyway, I will give you that TFA could be construed as "Han's" movie, if only because he only had one in him, so they had to send him off somehow. That old geezer was not coming back for more.

Jesus, I sound so angry, lol. Anyway, if your premise was the "original plan" then they failed before they even started. Clearly, I guess.

Yeah, relax a little.

"Luke's movie" in that he was simply the most featured of the 3 main original trilogy actors (Han/Luke/Leia). You barely see him at end of TFA, and not much more of Leia until near the end while Han gets most screentime and his send off with character dying. Last Jedi was everyone finding out what Luke has been doing for 30 years, etc, training Rey, and showing up as a projected image when the Resistance needed him. None of that shit was very good, obviously, but in theory, he clearly was showcased more than Leia was.

LachiusTZ · Dec 18, 2019

mkopec said:
So the question now is where does SW as a franchise go now? What would you guys like to see, lets say it was gonna be good (lol)

Do you care? Lol

LachiusTZ · Dec 18, 2019

Drinsic said:
Is there a summary of what the EU's episodes 7-9 were supposed to be?

Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn. It's the best Star wars content ever written by far.

Thrawn trilogy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Gavinmad said:
Extra-galactic invaders called the Yuuzhan Vong, kick the shit out of the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant after dropping a moon on Chewbacca. Han and Leia's youngest son dies which is a big part of what eventually drives Jacen Solo the dark side, becoming known as Darth Caedus and being a general galaxy wrecking badass until he is eventually killed in a lightsaber duel by his twin sister Jaina.

But that's more like episodes 7-12, or even 7-15.

None of that is in 7-9. Literally none of it.

Ossoi · Dec 18, 2019

Is it explained where the Alliance (or whatever they're called now) get all their troops/fleet from after being wiped out last movie?

LachiusTZ · Dec 18, 2019

Ossoi said:
Is it explained where the Alliance (or whatever they're called now) get all their troops/fleet from after being wiped out last movie?

Immigrants built it all

Diversity is our strength

jayrebb · Dec 18, 2019

LachiusTZ said:
Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn. It's the best Star wars content ever written by far.

But how, if the EU ain't been good since 1980?

LachiusTZ · Dec 18, 2019

jayrebb said:
But how, if the EU ain't been good since 1980?

It identifies as written in 1979

jayrebb · Dec 18, 2019

LachiusTZ said:
Marvel movies held to established lore, from what I understand.

Start wars literally disregarded all the lore, and embarked on an epic sjw marathon of shit.

There was easily a decade of solid Star wars lore they could have used.

Kiri Hart was fired as head of storyboard earlier this year, and removed as Vice President at Lucas Film. It was done quietly, and she was moved to a "consultant" position with a 2 year deal, and relocated to the same office as Lord and Miller (from what I read, Lord and Miller still had a contract with Lucas Film, so they had offices despite being fired from Solo).

Could this be fallout from her signing off on the EU being de-canonized? After Iger famously said on the conference call "Star Wars should be run like our Marvel properties".

Could this mean Iger recognizes the mistake, and is in the process of a course correction? It may just all be too late.

Fucker · Dec 18, 2019

Ossoi said:
Is it explained where the Alliance (or whatever they're called now) get all their troops/fleet from after being wiped out last movie?

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jayrebb · Dec 18, 2019

Relevant article

Star Wars 9: Lucasfilm DROPS Vice-President – Is this part of Last Jedi fan BACKLASH?

Bondurant

She was Kennedy's #2, and the executive in charge of all story.

Kiri Hart was the pen that had to sign off on story changes and organization.

So ultimately, when you talk canon-- you talk Kiri Hart. She was an original Kennedy hire to handle all story starting a few years ago.

Confirmation of demotion to "consultant"

Bondurant

Kennedy wouldn't demote her #2, nor would she remove her VP role, nor would she uninstall her pick from the story group. This was Kathleens original staffing. She hired her for this job specifically. It was her hire, Kiri was her friend.

That means Iger was responsible for this change.

Kiri Hart Leaves Lucasfilm Story Group, Now a Consultant For Lucasfilm - Jedi News

She has moved on to a new opportunity.

www.jedinews.co.uk

Could we see EU canonized after Kennedy retires later this year? This change indicates its a real possibility.

I think Iger wants it done-- but the question is have we already traveled too far down this road to retcon the old EU in?

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