StarCraft 2

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Some chineese guy who dominated korean ladder for some times,apparently nobody has really seen him play outside of china yet so thats whats all the fuss is about, but damn that amount of puns/cock sucking is fucking annoying...
 

Zaphid

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Well, foreigners will never catch up to koreans now, so the next best thing are the chinese.

Regarding the MLG vs Blizzard vs Red Bull stuff going on, I think MLG waited until the last possible moment to submit their Columbus tournament, just to have their ass covered against angry community, if TB's comments about MLG trying to ditch SC2 are true.
 

Tenks

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Who the hell seriously thought Maru would win WCS KR S2. That is awesome. Great stuff for Prime and Maru has been a long standing boy of mine.
 

Sidian

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I agree. I actually got up and saw the final game on Whirlwind and I was pumped. Don't get me wrong, I like Rain quite a bit as well but come on, it's Prime!

How about that Grubby in the Ro4 for WCS Eu. I hope he wins it all, that guy is amazing.
 

Zaphid

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He won't.

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I am amazed how Blizzard scheduled this against the behemoth of TI3.. the result... no one gave a fuck on watching the final.
 

Tenks

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Lol these balance changes are funny.

"Mech sucks, we're buffing it."
"Vipers start with full energy"

-_-
 

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Are we been trolled? How does that mech change helps against immortal pushes, or immortal based late game armies? Fuck give back tank damage against everything.
 

Crone

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Hi there...

So I've been craving a rts and so I've turned my eye towards sc2. I've only ever played it in beta a long time ago, and my original thoughts were that everyone seemed to be trying so hard. People weren't there to try and have fun, but were there to rank up and be damned if you made a mistake! Left a bad taste in my mouth.

I want to give it another shot but I don't even know where to start. Mind you at this time I don't even have a copy of the game, but when I get in game where do I start?

I noticed someone mentioned unranked games so that sounds probably the best? Or even maybe run the campaigns so I have a basic idea of units?

I used to play a lot of war craft 3 and getting build orders down was a lot of fun. All about speed and efficiency. I hope to recreate some of that fun in sc2. Thanks for the help.
 

Zaphid

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I think both of the games are worth it just for the campaign, though if you have ever played RTS seriously don't expect to be challenged much. Just like any other Blizzard game, it was improved by the expansion so much playing vanilla SC2 makes no sense. They did much better job with easing people into multiplayer with improved AI and multiple challenges to go through. It's still 1v1 game at heart, but from what I heard the custom games are always improving. They revamped the ranking system a bit to make easier to swallow losses, but the ranking system still tries to keep you at 50% winrate, so it's still very competitive, but if you find a few people to play customs, that tension drops considerably, the trick is to find someone who is at your skill level. It's the only old school RTS on the market right now, if that makes you decision any easier.
 

Tenks

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Are we been trolled? How does that mech change helps against immortal pushes, or immortal based late game armies? Fuck give back tank damage against everything.
I think they're trying to make mech TvP more of a "stall with tanks, rebuild with air" style thing. Honestly air TvP isn't that bad since Ravens shit on Tempest so badly and Vikings outrange VRs and Stalkers end up doing fairly minor damage to BCs. The issue is getting this late game army is nearly impossible TvP.
 

Tenks

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Hi there...

So I've been craving a rts and so I've turned my eye towards sc2. I've only ever played it in beta a long time ago, and my original thoughts were that everyone seemed to be trying so hard. People weren't there to try and have fun, but were there to rank up and be damned if you made a mistake! Left a bad taste in my mouth.

I want to give it another shot but I don't even know where to start. Mind you at this time I don't even have a copy of the game, but when I get in game where do I start?

I noticed someone mentioned unranked games so that sounds probably the best? Or even maybe run the campaigns so I have a basic idea of units?

I used to play a lot of war craft 3 and getting build orders down was a lot of fun. All about speed and efficiency. I hope to recreate some of that fun in sc2. Thanks for the help.
If you thought the game was hard back in WoL beta then prepare your anus because a top Diamond from WoL beta would be like Silver at the moment
 

Zaphid

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I think they're trying to make mech TvP more of a "stall with tanks, rebuild with air" style thing. Honestly air TvP isn't that bad since Ravens shit on Tempest so badly and Vikings outrange VRs and Stalkers end up doing fairly minor damage to BCs. The issue is getting this late game army is nearly impossible TvP.
Well, unless you can cripple the protoss economy you eventually run into the problem that protoss can techswitch on the spot to gateway army, or at least shit out 10 HTs to cripple all your casters.
 

Crone

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If you thought the game was hard back in WoL beta then prepare your anus because a top Diamond from WoL beta would be like Silver at the moment
I didn't say it was hard, but said it was a bunch of try hard personalities that took the game way too seriously. Run into it a lot in dota2 and most of the time just make the game not that fun.

I'll probably pick up the game and the expansion since it's a good game anyway.

Thanks for the help.
 

Tenks

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Well, unless you can cripple the protoss economy you eventually run into the problem that protoss can techswitch on the spot to gateway army, or at least shit out 10 HTs to cripple all your casters.
How I generally see this work is you lay some PDD near a skirmish area with your Ravens to protect the BC from Tempest fire. You then move in your BCs and instantly find something to Yomato (most likely a void ray) and cast that. Accept the fact you will get feedback cast on your BC and lose 200'ish HP immediately but hopefully you can kill almost all the VR with Yomato. Queue your Vikings to attack VR, then Tempest while you them move in your Hellbats. Depending on some factors you can also consider HSM on a VR pile if the Toss heavily commited VR. In general you'll probably want to spend the remaining energy on PDD to stop Tempest and Stalker fire on your BC. Or at least in the very few games I've seen where this unit composition comes into play that seems to be the general idea.
 

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I think Welmu actually has a decent chance to advance, certainly better than Naniwa or Grubby