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Caeden

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I think done with them until they stack up a decent size of quest material again. Took me maybe 5 hours to finish makeb? This is ridiculous. I don't want to run the same hard mode ops (ec, TFB - I'm looking at you) that we had on alt status late last year either.

I was well aware of that and I think a new planet to gate access to ops would be fine for this type of game without the lvl cap increase. This game doesn't need levels. It really just needed a version of the TSW system.
 

Drajakur

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I skipped this game until now and I'm starting from scratch with a friend. God is it boring. The storyline is cool and I really appreciate the work that went into the script, dialogue, voice-acting and all that. Its just that the gameplay is so fucking boring and cookie-cutter. Gameplay-wise, it is little more than WoW with lightsabres. I'll play 1-2 classes to end of the story, uninstall, and never touch again. What a sad commentary on the state of MMOs if this is best 200M could buy.
 

Nebuchadnezzar

Golden Squire
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How is the journey from 1 to 55? I bought the game but RL and work took over. Is it worth playing for the story and would it require a sub and xp pots?

/Long time lurker
I just went 1 to 55 on Jedi Knight, which is supposed to be the 2nd to 3rd best story and usually considered the most "important" storyline. Even with a 2 month sub and having done it during the 200% exp weekend period pre-expansion, I still wanted to kill myself by the time I got to the end of every planet. I can't imagine what it's like for the poor people that actually have to do all the bear ass fetch quests. I assume they quit sooner than I did.

The "story" being a breakthrough or something impressive is such an overrated statement. The scenes are stilted and slow and have a horrible sense of movement, the Jedi Knight Light Side choices make Paragon Shepard look like a bad boy, he's so fucking unbearable. I'd go so far as to say the story destroys any sense of immersion or that you're in a world since it's never really YOUR character, just YOUR Version 1/8 running around making absolutely no change on the environment follow the same theme park path, especially with all the companions you see that look exactly like YOUR companion. I don't expect these these in MMOs but do expect them out of Single Player games so...again a choice that takes all the hits without any of the pluses.

Plus, by the time you realize the worthlessness of the experience and recognize bear ass quests for bear ass quests, you'll just spam that space bar; it might as well be flashing THIS IS A FAKE GAME across the screen. There's also this odd downside to having the "story" in the game in that you have to deal with the cut scenes every 20 to 30 minutes and you're supposed to be enjoying it, right? Cuz it's the story! That's what Old Republic is about! So no throwing on some music or a podcast or even watching the TV like MMO gamers have done for eternity while leveling up.

Combat is clunky, DPS button spam fests outside of the interrupt skills. The mob choices are pretty much humanoid imperials, humanoid pirates, and humanoid droids where the only thing that really changes about them is their level. You never really feel challenged while at the same time never feeling like a badass.

Republic armor is more or less white and tan and EVEN TANNER for the whole way with tiny variations, it's all depressingly bland. They also managed to rip off the visual look from the prequels while also making the game feel like one of the least Star Warsy games I've ever played...it was impressive.

The planet design feels like one little box after another and there's never a sense that you can hop on your speeder and go for it, and even if you could some genius decided that the speeders would feel like the slowest mounts ever because OH YEAH speeders have no moving parts to provide a sense of movement, so to feel fast, they actually have to be fast!

Elevators = FUCK ELEVATORS.

TL;DR = Stay away. Don't pick Republic if you play. Yes, you will have to sub and get exp boosts to make it through.
 

moontayle

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Dark Side choices are the only way to run through that story. I knew that going into it when I leveled my Knight. In fact, the only Republic story that doesn't make you cringe at how sickenly sweet it gets with Light Side is Smuggler.

I can't disagree on any single point. It's WoW in space. And until they do something to differentiate themselves, like maybe a fully realized SPACE part of the game, that's all it'll ever be. That said, leveling in any game is boring. Shit, I did the free trial of MoP, did the Panda island and at level 10 I stared out at the vast expanse of 10-85 content that I yawned through twice before and said, "Fuck this shit." I give BW a smidgen of credit for at least attempting to make that part interesting. But as someone with 9 toons between 50 and 55, once you've done it a single time, it loses its luster.

That said, I stand by my opinion that SWTOR isn't a bad game. It's just not very interesting past a certain point.
 

Caeden

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IMO, they could have sold this game nearly as is as a single player game (some editing) with multiplayer only warzones/huttball elements for $70/pop on ps3/360/PC and Scrooge Mcducked in all the good-will and DLC money hats.
 

sakkath

Trakanon Raider
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Totally agree about playing dark side. My light side Juggernaut was pretty boring to level, my dark side Sage was hilariously awesome to level. And yeah light side Smuggler was cool because it's Han Solo and even being a good guy you leave a trail of broken hearts in your wake.

I'm still enjoying SWTOR purely because of Warzones. I've done a gazillion of them and I still love huttball so much. It makes me sad getting pwned by people wearing raid gear in PvP though, but supposedly they're going to "fix" that some time soon.
 

Malakriss

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Dark Side or Don't Bother. If you have any complaints and you're light side, stop typing and apply palm directly to face.
 

moontayle

Golden Squire
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Totally agree about playing dark side. My light side Juggernaut was pretty boring to level, my dark side Sage was hilariously awesome to level. And yeah light side Smuggler was cool because it's Han Solo and even being a good guy you leave a trail of broken hearts in your wake.

I'm still enjoying SWTOR purely because of Warzones. I've done a gazillion of them and I still love huttball so much. It makes me sad getting pwned by people wearing raid gear in PvP though, but supposedly they're going to "fix" that some time soon.
Yeah, the Expertise buff from Bolster is supposed to scale down the higher the rating on your gear but it's pretty messed up right now. I'm still gearing up but it sure is painful at times.
 

moontayle

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Incoming Cathar!

  • Unlockable via the cartel market for cartel coins (600 cartel coins) . You can convert either an existing character or reroll a new character.
  • Unlock is account wide rather than just legacy wide (i.e. applied to all servers, all your legacies)
  • Available to all eight classes (both factions)
  • Both male and female
  • Cool new fur patterns, new hair styles
  • Great social emote for your Cathar pride
  • Trooper companion Aric Jordan will be have his appearance adjusted to bring him inline with the new Cathar models. He will be utilizing the new fur technology and better reflect how Cathars will look.

And 2.1 incoming:

Details on the armor dyes and the appearance designer kiosk feature players can expect in patch 2.1, titled Customization.

Appearance Designer Kiosk

  • Allow you to change your hairstyle, your haircolor, eyecolor, species, scars, tattoos
  • Introduced a few new hairstyles and hair colors for certain species
  • Plans to continue introduce options in the appearance designer in the future months at a regular cadence.
  • Roleplay players can enjoy the ability to customize their character?s appearance as their character level up (i.e. adding battle scars after a big battle).
  • Cartel coins only but there is a permanent discount on all appearance designer kiosk options for subscribers ? up to 50% on a lot of options such as species change.
  • If you want to change your character to a Cathar example, there is just a one time fee associated with all the Cathar options.
  • Charging on a per slider basis ? if you just want to change your eye color for example, you can just jump in, change it right away and just get charged for that.
  • For species changes, you can preview any species, play around with it, and then decide to unlock that species (if you don?t already have it) directly from the kiosk for credits or cartel coins.
  • Kiosks are placed in fleet and in capital worlds for now.
  • Accessing the Kiosk will be similar to character creation ? it will load up a full portrait view of your character and you can zoom in and out as needed.
  • You can change pretty much anything you can change in character creation ? scars, tattoos, species, etc.

Dye Modules

  • Give you the ability to either dye entire armor sets or mix-match specific pieces of armor.
  • Two portions of your gear are dyeable: primary color and secondary color (i.e. for Havoc squad armor, white would be primary color and orange would be the secondary color).
  • Dye modules come in primary only, secondary only, and primary & secondary mixed.
  • Dye modules are consumables so you can insert them to change colors but gets destroyed once you pull them out.
  • You will see them in the cartel market for direct purchase, in future packs (i.e. contraband packs and beyond), a certain amount of colors are available through crafting (no details on the crew skills involved but you can RE them), and some unique colors from the security key and Collector?s Edition vendors. Expect more colors to be added in the coming months.
  • Dye modules work off the current item enhancement/modding system. You will just open up the item modification panel for any gear you want to dye, drop a dye module in the new dye module slot, and hit accept to have it dyed.
  • Many pieces of equipment will be able to be dyed and you can preview a dye module on that specific piece of equipment before hitting accept.
  • Unified to chest also works ? you can just dye your chest piece and have the color applied to rest of your outfit.
  • Some items are not dyeable ? anything below L15, anything green (unless it comes from crafting), are generally not dyeable.
  • Lore outfits like armor of Jolee Bindo are not dyeable.

I hope that's not it, at least in terms of "content". Shit reminds me of the patch Blizzard dropped post-BC release that had the in-game voice comms and pretty much nothing else of value. Guess I'll find out more when it hits PTS.
 

Caeden

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Well, you reminded me to cancel my account.

Cartel Coins! The wave of the future. EA is a bunch of fucking tools. I'd rather give Bobby Kotick a hummer than give one more cent to EA or Bioware for this game. Anyone have Damion Schubert's email so I can send him a Scroll of Resurrection so he can play a real themepark MMO ran (more) right?
 

sakkath

Trakanon Raider
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One thing they really messed up with this xpac is the WZ booster, especially for the 30-54 bracket. People coming back to the game on old level 50s are pretty screwed wearing their old 40-65 expertise per piece champion/battlemaster gear fighting level 30s getting 130 expertise per piece from the bolster because they're wearing PvE gear.
 

Arakkis

N00b
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Almost everything that you can buy with cartel coins is available for credits on the AH. The credit cap sucks, but if you have a sub, buy all the account unlocks before it runs out and you are basically playing with about 80% of the perks you get in a sub. Either that or just use the credit producing trade skills and you will have everything you need in like a week.
 

Oblio

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I had been playing the WoW MoP Trial, but instead of buying that and subbing I decided to go with SWTOR. $25 vs $55 (not to mention all the character transfers I would had to done in WoW) for 30days of play and new content just sounded like a better deal. Also, I think the Powertech BH might be the most fun class I have ever played.

Not sure if I would have played beyond 30 days in either game so SWTOR is the safer cheaper bet.
 

Oblio

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Really enjoying this, glad I resubbed. Question, does anyone know the the total Cartel Coins needed to unlock all the features (not including pvp & raids) you get with a sub? Or have link to a site that does? I figure someone has already done the math.

I do have a complaint ... fuck searching on Vendors and fuck their AH.
 

nicksw

Molten Core Raider
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As my sub is about to run out I plan to buy some unlocks too. I know that some (if not all) can be bought with credits on the AH. I have no idea what their names are and searching the AH is PITA indeed. Plan is to buy what I can with credits and leave the coins for other stuff.
 

GuardianX

Perpetually Pessimistic
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This is one of the final MMO releases that I looked at and said "Why?" why was a game that people were ready, willing and already bent over so bad (quality wise) that the devs literally killed the goose that lays golden eggs AS it was pushing out the FIRST egg.

I still say that this game has real potential if they simply put about a year and a half into HARD HARD work on the game.

So many things they could have done with it and it feels like all they really did was point back to the "Days of audio dialogue!!" when people asked why there were textures missing in zones, floating towers, PvP exploits out the anus, no end game...

I honestly wonder how people can walk away from a disaster like this and find employment at a new job site.

I think i'll always be bitter about this game. I'll wish it was good and occasionally log in and look at the last zone i parked my characters in and then log back out and uninstall it every time.

Such a bad taste now, they are working their asses off to earn back trust but so much good will lost and their "work" seems more like paperwork and pencil pushing debating on the price of the new speeder rather than issue resolving work.

I think i'll always be bitter about this game.
I'm done for my randomly timed rant.
 

Caeden

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^ Exactly. When the first major update to a new expansion is "Armor Dyes!!!!" that all revolve around a fucking cash shop, they're not even trying. I don't think its them though. I think its EA. Like I said, mounts? fine. Major game features for CCs? No-fucking-way, cocksuckers. The next asshole that says "subscribers get a stipend" is going to get anally fisted by Peter Mayhew.
 

spronk

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I'm pretty sure Disney is gonna force EA to shut down SWTOR next year to clean the boards as part of the Star Wars relaunch in 2015, and EA is doing everything it can to make SWTOR look good enough so it can bargain more out of Disney (exclusive rights to new star wars games, etc). Yeah, all of us know the difference between The Old Republic and the Darth Vader era+ Star Wars, but most consumers won't and it would be bad marketing to allow any confusion.

was a bummer though that the new lucasarts star wars game got canned
 

moontayle

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Yeah, wasn't going to hedge on that bet either way. Say what you want about the F2P implementation but it turned SWTOR from financial disaster into financial goldmine. Disney is a business through and through so they had to look at that and lick their chops a bit.