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Wonder if thats why I said 'sorta like', almost like I knew it was an imperfect comparison but didn't want to spend more time on the post.
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
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That's all pretty interesting. Few things fascinate me like cut or modified SNES RPGs and their "original scope".
FF6 makes a lot more sense now that I know it was episodic and stitched together.
I think it's plausible that after Atma Weapon, the game could have gone into the Kefka Pillar final battles, with him moving the statues and killing the emperor before that.
It's also possible that the FC was supposed to be a second, smaller overworld. FF3 did it.
As far as me not playing WoB at first, to be fair, I was like 13 and it was my second RPG ever (after Chrono Trigger). I had no idea what I was doing yet. Jumping forward with people's saves on a rental cart was appealing to me as someone who grew up in the era of warp zones and cheat codes. I had a ways to go to adjust to the RPG ways of doing things, and them not just being about bolting to the end.
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There was an interview with the female dev that I think did Celes, and used to be an artist? - the entire game was not split up - that section was - she explained it.
The story was unified in terms of Start-Stuff-Stuff-Finish - the details of stuff fell into the 3 people / teams that did the 3-way split scenario at the "start" of the game. As I mentioned in the Pixel Remaster thread, playing it now, the Sabin stuff is so much longer and more story than the other 2. The scenario teams worked, I guess in the minds of the people putting this together so /then/ they kind of set those teams as sort of perma teams to go about making and filling the scenarios as the game went on.
It would not have been /our/ WOB if they ended it at the floating island - there would have been more, as many have speculated - not perhaps as much more or in the same way as we got with the WOR - but there would have been more before the current end of the WOB. Like Setzer, he is almost all in WOR for his story - that story would have still been done, just in the WOB and some things modified. Like there may have been another split or tri-split in characters when approaching the Floating Content - this could have sent your 3 into the island, then had the airship destroyed splitting up into another 2 groups - this could lead Setzer's stuff and needing to get another ship to rejoin everyone at the floating content for the final confrontation etc.
The story was unified in terms of Start-Stuff-Stuff-Finish - the details of stuff fell into the 3 people / teams that did the 3-way split scenario at the "start" of the game. As I mentioned in the Pixel Remaster thread, playing it now, the Sabin stuff is so much longer and more story than the other 2. The scenario teams worked, I guess in the minds of the people putting this together so /then/ they kind of set those teams as sort of perma teams to go about making and filling the scenarios as the game went on.
It would not have been /our/ WOB if they ended it at the floating island - there would have been more, as many have speculated - not perhaps as much more or in the same way as we got with the WOR - but there would have been more before the current end of the WOB. Like Setzer, he is almost all in WOR for his story - that story would have still been done, just in the WOB and some things modified. Like there may have been another split or tri-split in characters when approaching the Floating Content - this could have sent your 3 into the island, then had the airship destroyed splitting up into another 2 groups - this could lead Setzer's stuff and needing to get another ship to rejoin everyone at the floating content for the final confrontation etc.
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Final Fantasy VI – 1994 Developer Interview - shmuplations.com
These Final Fantasy VI interviews first appeared in the 1994 editions of Game-On and Hippon Super magazines; I have joined them together and slightly edited them for content and readability. Although some names will be known to Final Fantasy fans (like veteran pixel artist Kazuko Shibuya), this...
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Just started watching - they talked about how it is considered the best, but not one they replay alot - I think that is because it is just, so good and it emotes to you, you do not need to really replay it to exp it, but just think about it and recall it etc.
And that makes me think- of why myself I find that I am not super eager to get to this play though on the Pixle Remaster. I did them all in order... but I find myself just thinking about it and enjoying the story and stuff - I am enjoying taking more time on this playthough... yet I still missed Locke's girl in the basement lol, not until just yesterday when I was wondering around heh.
edit: oh they explain why 8 sucks! haha
ohh 8 sucks btw
And that makes me think- of why myself I find that I am not super eager to get to this play though on the Pixle Remaster. I did them all in order... but I find myself just thinking about it and enjoying the story and stuff - I am enjoying taking more time on this playthough... yet I still missed Locke's girl in the basement lol, not until just yesterday when I was wondering around heh.
edit: oh they explain why 8 sucks! haha
ohh 8 sucks btw
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That artist draws everyone stoned...and pale....and blonde.
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Im listening to the podcast today, Im on episode 2 so far.
I had no idea that they redid and retranslated FF6 to improve on the original Woolsey translation (I also learned about Woolseyisms).
So whats considered the best, definitive FF6 version now from the dialogue and art standpoint? From translation standpoint theyre saying its the Game Boy Advance version.
I had no idea that they redid and retranslated FF6 to improve on the original Woolsey translation (I also learned about Woolseyisms).
So whats considered the best, definitive FF6 version now from the dialogue and art standpoint? From translation standpoint theyre saying its the Game Boy Advance version.
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I have noticed there are some smoother phrases in the pixle remaster- but it still has some scenes (esp at the beginning) where you can tell it is just cut. I have not played the Advanced version - there was a few many version comparisons - the ones I watched all say that its either play the SNES version or Pixle Remaster.
But I think there are many here that can give a better perspective.
Edit: also just now watching the podcast, near end of episode 1. This is the first time I have watched a real plot story, dev, history etc analysis or discussion - so I am like that one host guy thats like "Oh Terra was just a change from Tina and her hair is green just so everyone is not blond...well...that puts a damper on my understanding of her and Celes relationship / symbolism etc." lol
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hah yea. i think some where they talk about how the 'oldest' version of her was very much like the pixels we saw in FF6, rather than the concept art (stoned chick above). so it' kind of puts a weird spin on which version looks like what.
un related, but i'm of the opion that FF6's main character(s) are Locke, Terra, and Celes. and the core of the story is kind of how locke lost a girl, found a girl, fell for a girl, rejected a girl. vanished, then the girl he liked found him again.
I learned a lot about the game in the podcast, they pointed out a lot of tiny things that flew over even my spergy ass who played it front to end several times, including with friends (2 player mode for the win) and read over the stratigy guide over and over in school.
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They interviewed the "Concept" artist in one of the new Netflix game documentaries - forgot what one - but they talked about FinalFantasy as that was what one of his most well known games was- what he said lined up with what I so far (still episode 1) of the podcast says - The art dude just did what he wanted based on general stuff - handed it over to Square. He said he likes the end result, but his art is his art, the pixle art is their art and each their own. There is some relation, obviously, but there are also differences from limitations etc.
As for Locke and Terra / Celes - you can /infer/ some of the changes when they made Celes a bigger part - Locke kinda is like oh Terra ill protect you! I lost someoen special and I am im planting her onto you. oh Celes I will protect you too, same kinda thing...yeah..umm...okay what one am I to go for? Oh, Celes okay got it - well that leaves Terra out in the cold.. LEO okay yeah, you meet him and instantly want to jump on him, but well, he is dead...so, now your sad.
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Getting into episode 2.
The FF4 DS script is so much better - I really agree with them on that. And wants me to now play the GB Advanced Version... I think the Pixle Remasters are more aligned with the SNES versions with slight modifications... I think... dunno really I didn't research what the PE's scripts are.
The FF4 DS script is so much better - I really agree with them on that. And wants me to now play the GB Advanced Version... I think the Pixle Remasters are more aligned with the SNES versions with slight modifications... I think... dunno really I didn't research what the PE's scripts are.
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Had some work, so I have paused the podcast....
So now I have been thinking of the difference between FF4 and FF4DS - one thing they kind-of mentioned, as the podcast is about 6 not 4 - but I kinda light-bulbed while remembering it.
In even the pixle remaster, and SNES etc. Cecil was eh a dark knight... kain was a dragoon... etc. etc. they were more of "classes".
In FF4DS - the introduction scenes - Intro, Crystal, Return, Expulsion, Exiting the Castle - to me, it really felt that the "classes" where /who the characters/ are their identity was more part of their class than, a simple "thing they did" - having played the pixel remaster- the dialogue was improved, but still not as good. While in ff4DS this kind of feeling tapered off after the "main trio", it kind of felt like it was an imposed Baron-mindset that the kingdom of Baron used to instill devotion and identity upon their people etc. Also after Baron, each other place was /a thing/ such as Monk, Summoners, Mages...or generic town, Baron was more diverse, Dragoon, White Mage, Dark Knight, etc etc.
It is still interesting to me how that goes... Now I want to look up FF6 fan translations and play the advanced version lol
So now I have been thinking of the difference between FF4 and FF4DS - one thing they kind-of mentioned, as the podcast is about 6 not 4 - but I kinda light-bulbed while remembering it.
In even the pixle remaster, and SNES etc. Cecil was eh a dark knight... kain was a dragoon... etc. etc. they were more of "classes".
In FF4DS - the introduction scenes - Intro, Crystal, Return, Expulsion, Exiting the Castle - to me, it really felt that the "classes" where /who the characters/ are their identity was more part of their class than, a simple "thing they did" - having played the pixel remaster- the dialogue was improved, but still not as good. While in ff4DS this kind of feeling tapered off after the "main trio", it kind of felt like it was an imposed Baron-mindset that the kingdom of Baron used to instill devotion and identity upon their people etc. Also after Baron, each other place was /a thing/ such as Monk, Summoners, Mages...or generic town, Baron was more diverse, Dragoon, White Mage, Dark Knight, etc etc.
It is still interesting to me how that goes... Now I want to look up FF6 fan translations and play the advanced version lol
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