The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Xarpolis_sl said:

Imagine if Microsoft decided that the product was a flop before it even was released and they decided to delay the release indefinitely until they were able to come up with a better idea. Maybe do another release in a year or two. Let Sony take the market for the time being, but then release a truly great product later on (sure, it can still be the Xbox One, but completely redesigned internally). That would cut the current "next gen" market in half because some people would continue with PS4, but some would jump to the 'newer' XBone. Just an idea, but theoretically I think it would work. It would make it so they aren't behind, but actually ahead.

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You can't let your competitor get that much of a head start. If you are going to let them have 2 years, you might as well just sit this generation out, and start working on your next console for release in 2018 or whatever. Even if you release a vastly superior piece of hardware later on, you'd never make up for 2 years of lost sales, and then you're looking at the scenario of PS5 coming out just a few more years down the road and cutting your systems life short.

Don't look at it as a head start. I was thinking they could come back in with a new "Next.5 generation" console or something. Just a little more powerful than the PS4. Then they would have a contender again. Many people would flock over to it as the most powerful system.

Don't underestimate the amount of people that can only afford 1 console per generation. I remember seeing a Neilson survey a couple years back, something like 60% of American households owned a current-gen gaming console, but only 25% had 2, and only like 5% had all 3. If PS4 is the only choice for 2 years, the XBOX would have no chance to ever come close to catching up.

Xarpolis_sl said:

Don't look at it as a head start. I was thinking they could come back in with a new "Next.5 generation" console or something. Just a little more powerful than the PS4. Then they would have a contender again. Many people would flock over to it as the most powerful system.

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Vast majority of games are going to be made for both systems, so having a more powerful system will only be relevant for exclusive titles.

Microsoft had made some bad decisions and them trying to get a piece of the used game industry by taking it out of my pocket has convinced me to buy a ps4. That being said, late 2014 for Japan? Where was a single date even mentioned by them? Early 2015 for the cloud? Where is this confirmed? How many data centers anyone has is not even public knowledge. Not sure how you can even pretend to know when the cloud is available is beyond me.

Question for popular consensus:

Will the PS4 represent the final transitional phase of concluding that PCs are, and always have been the premier elite gaming system?

Do you not agree that the purpose of consoles has always been to carve a piece out of the market for those who cannot afford a PC?

PS4 will retail at $400. Most of this forums users could find, or build you a PC for $500 that can run Crysis 2 on Ultra.

Please remind me what purpose consoles serve today, and in the future.

Azeth_sl said:

Question for popular consensus:

Will the PS4 represent the final transitional phase of concluding that PCs are, and always have been the premier elite gaming system?

Do you not agree that the purpose of consoles has always been to carve a piece out of the market for those who cannot afford a PC?

PS4 will retail at $400. Most of this forums users could find, or build you a PC for $500 that can run Crysis 2 on Ultra.

Please remind me what purpose consoles serve today, and in the future.

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They are much more convenient, and you'd be shocked how many people have no idea about PC specs let alone how to build one. There will always be a place for consoles even if they are just a limited use computer.

thats a retarded question, I've been pc gaming 100% for the past 5 years but even I recognize that sometimes its nice playing on a big ass TV chilling on the couch 10 feet away. Doable on the PC of course, I have a 55" LED hooked up to mine and its great for full screen shooters.

There are simply exclusive console titles you cannot get on the PC - its narrowed down dramatically over the last few years, and hopefully the next generation should be even smaller. But I want to eventually play Last of Us, Grand Theft Auto 5, Red Dead Redemption, Division, and a few other games and many of them will never be available on a PC. Dropping $400 on a ps4 is a no brainer, I'll try to game on my PC most of the time but for those few games that just won't ship on the PC I'll be playing them on ps4. Can't really see anything exclusive on xbone that I would really want, I would like to go back and check out the Halos but apparently all will be ported over to the PC to help out with the TV show.

its a retarded question because there are titles only made for consoles? right got it. dont ever post again.

Celestein_sl said:

I've said this a dozen times before, but the PS4(and Xbone) are capable of making games that you simply cannot release on PC.

People who aren't developers don't really understand this, but the PC platform is EXTREMELY limited due to market fragmentation and Win32 limitations. You cannot make a PC game that uses more than 3gb~(realistically more 1.5-2) of ram without alienating 90% of your potential customers, you just can't.

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But it could be that a lot of PCs sold in the last half decade haven't come with more than 4GB of RAM because the software available at the time didn't need it. I think we can all agree that the majority of cross-platform games are created with consoles in mind first, and PC second, so having 8 or 16 or 32GB of RAM has been absolutely useless most of the time. There's no reason that most PC manufacturers can't start making 8 or 16GB of RAM standard in the PCs they sell (and most PC-building hardcore gamers already have that much). The extra expense is pretty insignificant for PC manufacturers when they are buying RAM in such bulk amounts anyways. If all most PCs need is more standard RAM, that's one of the cheaper things to do that won't effect prices too much.

Required specs for PC gaming have been very stagnant for most of the last decade because of the consoles. Now its time to take a leap and you probably won't see a game require more than 8GB of RAM for the next 5-8 years again, since that is where the new consoles are capping out at.

Most people expect to replace their PC/laptop every 3-5 years. By halfway through this next console life cycle, 90% of PC gamers will have 8+GB of RAM.

Well, that'll be changing too as people buy new computers over the next few years. Let's face it, if someone is still running XP or Vista, they aren't gaming. Any PC gamer isn't going to have a PC more than 4-5 years old tops.

LoL at Steve Ballmer taking the lead as Xbox head.

I'm sure he'll... ok, I can't even feign interest.

Well, I have yet to view a single second of any XB1 press conferences or presentations, but I guarantee I'll watch the first one that Steve Ballmer does. Hilarity will ensue.

My xbro friend is also repeating that line about PS4 games being not able to run 1080 and only getting 30 fps. I didn't ask for the source.

Keep in mind this is the same person that you can't say _anything_ negative about the republican party because it's just "made up by the liberal media" and anything negative about xbone or positive about ps4 was "made up by some internet forum nerd"

The biggest console niche for me is that it's easy to throw one in my backpack and take it with me. I spend like 3-4 days a week between a few houses, and taking a PC with me would be pretty annoying, especially on TVs that don't have HDMI for easy access. I know you can get smaller PCs, but then you sacrifice a lot, I think. In addition to that, most houses don't have a good setup for a mouse and keyboard in their living room. It's usually like 2 couches in front of a TV, and no place for a KB/mouse. Most people don't have PCs hooked up to their TV, it's sitting in a corner on a desk somewhere. My situation is a bit different than most, but it's a compelling reason for me to keep using consoles some of the time, and having my dedicated PC at home. I could get a laptop capable of playing the games I want on PC, but thats probably going to run $700-1200 bucks compared to dirt cheap consoles. I can snag a $79 wii, $50 ps2, $120 xbox360 and feel like I can abuse the hell out of it: Cheaper than an operating system alone for a PC. Granted, a ps4/xbone will be a lot more pricey, but I don't feel the need to drop cash on one till a price drop hits.

PC would work pretty well if most people had desks in their living rooms, but as it stands I think thats limited to uber-nerds like me who have a desk with two monitors in their entertainment room, and then the TV right in front. Also, my experience is that HDTVs look like shit as PC monitors generally.

All the xbros i know are sticking with xbone out of the perception that call of duty and battlefield will have high performance dedicated servers via "the cloud". I don't really have any response to that logic, since they don't play anything but call of duty and battlefield with the occasional gears or halo thrown in. >;p

Kreugen_sl said:

My xbro friend is also repeating that line about PS4 games being not able to run 1080 and only getting 30 fps. I didn't ask for the source.

Keep in mind this is the same person that you can't say _anything_ negative about the republican party because it's just "made up by the liberal media" and anything negative about xbone or positive about ps4 was "made up by some internet forum nerd"

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So why is he a friend then?