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Abefroman

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Question for popular consensus:

Will the PS4 represent the final transitional phase of concluding that PCs are, and always have been the premier elite gaming system?

Do you not agree that the purpose of consoles has always been to carve a piece out of the market for those who cannot afford a PC?

PS4 will retail at $400. Most of this forums users could find, or build you a PC for $500 that can run Crysis 2 on Ultra.

Please remind me what purpose consoles serve today, and in the future.
Ease of use. Console gamers don't want to worry about drivers, upgrading, if my machine can run this, crashes etc. They want to plop in a disc, sit on the coach and play. Consoles don't have the hassle that a PC does for the computer novice.

Many piss all over people here that would buy an Alienware. They scream it's over priced crap blah blah blah. You could say the same thing about people who pay to get their oil changed. You could also easily do that yourself too. Thing is most people don't want to deal with complications or hassles and would rather pay a premium just for the convenience. That is why imo consoles will always have a place in the gaming scene.
 

Sean_sl

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Question for popular consensus:

Will the PS4 represent the final transitional phase of concluding that PCs are, and always have been the premier elite gaming system?

Do you not agree that the purpose of consoles has always been to carve a piece out of the market for those who cannot afford a PC?

PS4 will retail at $400. Most of this forums users could find, or build you a PC for $500 that can run Crysis 2 on Ultra.

Please remind me what purpose consoles serve today, and in the future.
1) Probably not and I don't agree that they always have been.

2) I do not agree. Consoles were by and large the main place to play video games on up until the end of the PS2 era. Prior to that they were barely any PC games in comparison to what was available on console systems.

3) Most could, but it's irrelevant to the general market who will be able to plug and play a powerful, specialized machine that will have a lot of games that you can't buy elsewhere.

4) They serve as an easy to use, affordable and powerful service platform for the general consumer that many games also make themselves exclusive to. This will remain true.
 

Pancreas

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I see where the Xbone was going really. And in the long run I think we are all going to wind up there.

Here is what I think the intended destination of the Xbone was:

Not too distant future people buying a T.V. and "content box" will be pretty standard. Streaming movies and television services, digital game download services, Cable t.v., and Internet access is all going to be presided over by a single device. This device will essentially be a console/ living room. That is somewhat true already, the only difference is this will be the primary living room setup that everyone will be using.

The issue right now, is the current market topology is a mess. There are a ton of overlapping services and each one wants their monthly fee. If microsoft wanted to wow the shit out of people with this generation, they would have shown all of the services that would have been included with a yearly XBL membership, with a healthy discount compared to buying them separately. This would have required an insane ammount of third party wrangling, but the result would have almost instantly created a non gamer market for the next gen consoles.

Long long run... I see all current cable programming moving to a streaming service format. Cable companies become internet providers. Console makers become network managers. Think Verizon versus AT&T versus Sprint. The living room pc/console market opens wide and tons of different manufacturers show up, building boxes that cater to a specific network's specifications much like cellphones today. The console networks would still release standard Sony and Microsoft brand boxes and peripherals, but they would only be options in a larger market.

That sounds sexy as hell to the console manufacturers right now and I can see why Microsoft was pushing the hard sell on it. But instead of luring the mule with the carrot, they tried cramming it up the ass's ass. And got kicked hard for it.
 

Xarpolis

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One issue you run into with this is that the Xbox One will NOT replace your standard set top cable box (STB). It will act like a VCR instead, being the go between for your STB & TV.

If it were to eliminate the STB all together, that would be one thing (that alone would make it very valuable, rather than renting a box from your cable company), but instead it's just another piece of hardware in your entertainment deck.
 

Man0warr

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It's not the physical amount of ram, rams dirt cheap, it's that the vast majority of people still run 32bit XP, Vista, 7, etc. Which has a software limitation of 4.
What? Even Win8 is limited to 4GB if it's an x86 program. Even the basic versions of Vista and 7 have physical memory limits of 8gb or 16gb which is plenty for any x64 game.
 

Rombo

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Oh well, better than the 3 xbox360 i had to swap. For all the hassle microsoft gave me with the rrod, i simply cant buy any console from them again purely on principles. That and the fact every 360 games ended with a better version of them on pc....
 

Sean_sl

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I see where the Xbone was going really. And in the long run I think we are all going to wind up there.

Here is what I think the intended destination of the Xbone was:

Not too distant future people buying a T.V. and "content box" will be pretty standard. Streaming movies and television services, digital game download services, Cable t.v., and Internet access is all going to be presided over by a single device. This device will essentially be a console/ living room. That is somewhat true already, the only difference is this will be the primary living room setup that everyone will be using.
My TV can do most of this itself without a dedicated device. Your laptop, tablet, and phone can also pretty much do all of that as well while streaming and/or being docked to your TV. The "future" is not some "all in one" box, the future is using your mobile device for everything and docking it to whatever display you want. It's a long ways off before they're powerful enough to replace dedicated gaming machines, but they'll get there at some point in the next couple decades.

Microsoft bet on a bad horse that didn't actually replace anything in your home theater setup, since you still have to have your TV crap hooked up to it. Not to mention one that has a very short term future at best. They also terribly misjudged the market and how just bad broadband penetration is.
 

Sean_sl

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Did the ps3 have the equivalent of the 360 rrod?
Yellow Light of Death, but that was much rarer.

My PS3 actually fuckingcaught fire. It was used with no warranty and I had to pay $150 to replace it, I really probably should have bitched more over the phone about that and the fact that it had caught fire.
 

Joeboo

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2) I do not agree. Consoles were by and large the main place to play video games on up until the end of the PS2 era. Prior to that they were barely any PC games in comparison to what was available on console systems.
That's only accurate for cross-platform games. PCs used to rarely get console ports before the mid to late 90s, but there were TONS of PC games in general. In fact, if you walked into a Babbages or wherever back in the 80s or 90s, the PC gaming section would cover the majority of the store compared to console games.

PCs always had a larger library of games than any console up until probably the PS1 or PS2. Actually, they easily still do, but the whole scene gets a little murkier nowadays with the extreme amount of indie developers on PC through outlets like Steam. If you're just talking about major-publisher games in the United States, then yeah, console is probably a little ahead right now but still not by much.
 

Sean_sl

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That's only accurate for cross-platform games. PCs used to rarely get console ports before the mid to late 90s, but there were TONS of PC games in general. In fact, if you walked into a Babbages or wherever back in the 80s or 90s, the PC gaming section would cover the majority of the store compared to console games.

PCs always had a larger library of games than any console up until probably the PS1 or PS2.
You're kidding, right? NES and SNES libraries were gargantuan and they were back before crossplatform was even a thing (SNES and Genesis versions were largely different games).

709 Games:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_System_games

784 Games:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_System_games

Those are just the Western versions of the library to boot, there's more on the Japanese only side.

915 Games:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ga_Drive_games
 

Tuco

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Worrying about what platform is the 'premiere' platform is a waste of time. The premiere/elite/whatever has always been to have all platforms.
 
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i just assume that eventually the modem, cable box, gaming console, pc etc all becomes one central home ent. unit.
 

Zombie Thorne_sl

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You're kidding, right? NES and SNES libraries were gargantuan and they were back before crossplatform was even a thing (SNES and Genesis versions were largely different games).

709 Games:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...t_System_games

784 Games:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_System_games

Those are just the Western versions of the library to boot, there's more on the Japanese only side.

915 Games:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ga_Drive_games
I'm not going to say there were more PC games in that timeframe than console games, but it was comparable at least. The SNES came out in what? Early 90's? The late 80's and all through the 90's were just insane for PC games. Babbages/EB/Software Etc were completely filled with PC titles, i dont think they even carried console games. The toy stores that carried the console stuff had a few isles max.

I honestly love the idea of some sort of all in one console that plays games, has ala cart premium TV service, streams movies/content, i would buy something like that in a heartbeat. MS knows a lot of people would, and that's how they designed the Xbone. They just forgot one little detail. A box like that is worthless without the services to go along with it. They are WAAAY too ahead of themselves.

If they would have shown up back in may with the current Xbone, and complete and compelling offering of digital tv/gaming/movie services that people were excited about then i think the narrative would be completely different today.
 

Szlia

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To be fair, during the 8-bit era there were computer games that we simply lost track of since there were made by garage developers who would code something, duplicate the tapes themselves and directly sell them to a couple stores in their area. For our sanity, let's assume it was small derivative games and that nothing of value was lost, but as a single guy could make a dozen of those, that's probably a pretty big number of games.