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Joeboo

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I'm trying to remember the last time I bought an EA game... they can go fuck themselves.

Oh, TOR. /middlefinger sit on it and spin
Yeah, I already stated this in the Sim City thread, but I am 100% done with ever purchasing another EA game. After getting screwed on Sim City, the last few NCAA Football games(gamebreaking bugs/patches), and the immense disappointment of games like DA2 and SWTOR, I'm done. I'll be pirating any game that ever looks somewhat interesting from EA from now on. They'll never get another cent from me.
 

Selix

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Yeah, I already stated this in the Sim City thread, but I am 100% done with ever purchasing another EA game. After getting screwed on Sim City, the last few NCAA Football games(gamebreaking bugs/patches), and the immense disappointment of games like DA2 and SWTOR, I'm done. I'll be pirating any game that ever looks somewhat interesting from EA from now on. They'll never get another cent from me.
Well to be perfectly fair I'l be happy to spend a single cent on an EA game. A Steam Summer sale cent that is...

Oh wait they use Origin now. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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hodj

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Really good article on the implications of always on kinect in relation to other Microsoft owned products, such as Skype, and Microsoft's proven track record of lying, obfuscating, and fucking over their consumers.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/16/45...on-your-family

You close a laptop when you're not using it. Your phone faces the inside of a pocket, a purse, or lies flat on a table. But the Microsoft Kinect, an always-on camera that will come with every new Xbox One game console, gets a perfect view of your living room. It's always listening for voice commands, even when you turn the Xbox off. It can even read your heartbeat with the right software.

Microsoft says it doesn't plan to abuse that power, and claims it couldn't even if it tried.The company told us that the Kinect's cameras and microphones aren't actually recording or transmitting any audio or video data back to Microsoft's servers without the user's explicit consent, and all ambiently collected data is anonymized.While some voice commands are processed at Microsoft?s servers, they?re converted to text before they ever leave the machine, and biometric data is translated into numerical values that simply indicate, say, where a player?s limbs are during online multiplayer games.

"We aren't using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all," said Microsoft's Phil Harrison.

But would Microsoft be willing to help the government snoop? That's a good question. Last week, a report in The Guardian alleged that Microsoft gave government agencies access to private Skype video and audio calls, perhaps even going so far as to integrate Skype into the NSA's controversial PRISM surveillance system.

Not unlike Kinect, Skype had assured its users that wiretaps were technically impossible. "Because of Skype's peer-to-peer architecture and encryption techniques, Skype would not be able to comply with such a request," the company told CNET in 2008. And four years later, when hackers accused Skype owner Microsoft of changing the service's backend to facilitate government eavesdropping, the company categorically denied the accusations. Now, it seems like the company could have been lying, or at least had quietly changed its mind. Mind you, Microsoft is also denying last Thursday's Guardian report, but the denial is a lot less clear-cut. The company disavows having providing "blanket or direct access" to Skype, but doesn't deny that it provides Skype video or audio to the government upon request.

In fact, Microsoft's statement seems to suggest that it did update Skype to comply with the law. "When we upgrade or update products legal obligations may in some circumstances require that we maintain the ability to provide information in response to a law enforcement or national security request," reads a portion of Microsoft?s response.

So even if we take Microsoft's word that the Kinect doesn't currently upload your private conversations to remote servers, can we trust that Microsoft won't change that in a future software update?
Theoretically, we could trust in the courts. "The Fourth Amendment has been found to be really protective of everything that?s inside a person?s home," said Faiza Patel, co-director of the Liberty and National Security program at the Brennan Center for Justice.

Patel told The Verge that though the government might be able to argue that it can collect telephone call records because they?re simply metadata, or argue that it can collect Skype video chats between people who aren?t citizens of the US, it would be a different story with Kinect. "If you were collecting information through this Xbox device, then clearly it's in the United States at the very least, and then the fact that it?s inside your home also makes it more difficult for them," she said.

Scott Greenwood, a civil rights lawyer, agrees. "It would be a flat violation of what little remains of the Fourth Amendment if the government had the ability to spy on you inside your house via a game system to which it had a backdoor," he told us. "If you're going to be invading someone's personal space, their residential space, you're going to need a warrant unless certain exceptions are met ... and I think having an always-on video camera would never, ever be able to meet the Fourth Amendment standard," he said.

But neither Greenwood nor Patel seemed to think the idea was completely far-fetched. "What we don?t know is whether there are either secret executive orders or regulations that would permit this to happen," said Greenwood, referring to PRISM and other forms of secret data collection greenlit by the FISA court system.

That?s the fear of Christopher Soghoian, a senior policy analyst with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). After tweeting about how untrustworthy Microsoft appears in light of the PRISM allegations, he spoke to us briefly about his concerns.

Soghoian pointed out that there is indeed something of a legal precedent for law enforcement to co-opt consumer technology for surveillance purposes. In 2002, a federal appeals court ruled against the FBI for tapping into a microphone that was part of the emergency call and navigation system (a la OnStar) inside a person?s car. The interesting part is that though two of three judges ruled against the government?s wiretap, their reasoning was simply that it kept emergency calls from functioning properly. You couldn?t dial 911 if the FBI was already on the line, they argued.

"The 9th Circuit reasoning there was delicate ... it's not clear that the Kinect camera serves as critical a function. Conceivably, the NSA could quietly record what's going in your living room without disrupting your ability to play video games," Soghoian told us.
 

Cor_sl

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http://www.product-reviews.net/2013/...with-warning/?

So basically, if this turns out to be true, EA are pricing themselves right out of the market?

Good news for everyone imo
Like I said a few pages ago, they try to do this every generation in the UK but the market rejects it. The prices always go down shortly after launch.

The RRP figure is also misleading. Games are very rarely sold at the RRP over here. GTA5, for example, has an RRP of ?55 (https://secure.shopto.net/ps3/PS3GR1...ng-spring-2013), but I was able to pick it up for ?32.
 

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"... all ambiently collected data is anonymized."

Damn, someone give that guy a raise! Ambiently-collected data is such a nice turn of phrase.
 

hodj

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What's funniest is that they are admitting at the end of the sentence that they are constantly collectly anonymous data to send back to the servers, while at the start of the sentence insisting they don't do just that, without your explicit permission.

And of course your explicit permission will be given when you first agree to the end user license agreement when you first turn the system on.....
 

Sean_sl

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What's funniest is that they are admitting at the end of the sentence that they are constantly collectly anonymous data to send back to the servers, while at the start of the sentence insisting they don't do just that, without your explicit permission.

And of course your explicit permission will be given when you first agree to the end user license agreement when you first turn the system on.....
Yeah, exactly. You will explicitly consent the first time you use the system with no way around it.

Shit is hilarious.
 

Droigan

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Yeah, exactly. You will explicitly consent the first time you use the system with no way around it.

Shit is hilarious.
You know how there are sometimes pictures from workplaces where people do stupid things, and post it online and then get fired?

Can not wait for the eventual picture from a MS employee who has turned on a Xbox and snapped a picture of themselves posing thumbs up next to a monitor displaying some awkward sexual act in a random livingroom. If they do indeed have the abilities to turn on the camera and such at will, all it would take for those abilities to leak would be stupid people, and the way the Xbox one launch has been handled, we know MS has those in plenty. (Edit: Think about it. At one time there was a boardroom meeting with top dogs in the company. They discussed the name for their third console and came up with Xbox One. Seriously. That is an event that happened at one time in recent history. MS is crazytown.) /end edit.
Because I doubt they would give NSA an ability they also did not have, they give NSA access to information, not extra.
 

Joeboo

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I'm more worried about hackers getting into Microsofts servers...
It's definitely a concern, but I have to assume that their server security is at least better than Sonys. Microsoft never had an XBOX Live breach/outage anywhere on the scale of the one Sony had, and you better believe that people probably tried. Since Live was a subscription(pay) service, they almost assuredly had a LOT more credit card info on file than Sony ever did. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but Microsoft has decades of network security experience.

Now, MS willingly handing over the info the government is a whole different subject...
 

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It's definitely a concern, but I have to assume that their server security is at least better than Sonys. Microsoft never had an XBOX Live breach/outage anywhere on the scale of the one Sony had, and you better believe that people probably tried. Since Live was a subscription(pay) service, they almost assuredly had a LOT more credit card info on file than Sony ever did. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but Microsoft has decades of network security experience.

Now, MS willingly handing over the info the government is a whole different subject...
A lot of public hacking scandals occur for political reasons, its reasonable to assume xbox will become the target next generation. Anyone who is targeted politically by hackers WILL get hacked. No system is secure, especially not if people on the inside don't respect it.
 

Rhuobhe

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It's definitely a concern, but I have to assume that their server security is at least better than Sonys. Microsoft never had an XBOX Live breach/outage anywhere on the scale of the one Sony had, and you better believe that people probably tried. Since Live was a subscription(pay) service, they almost assuredly had a LOT more credit card info on file than Sony ever did. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but Microsoft has decades of network security experience.

Now, MS willingly handing over the info the government is a whole different subject...
How dare you defend microsoft
 

Vaclav

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It's definitely a concern, but I have to assume that their server security is at least better than Sonys. Microsoft never had an XBOX Live breach/outage anywhere on the scale of the one Sony had, and you better believe that people probably tried. Since Live was a subscription(pay) service, they almost assuredly had a LOT more credit card info on file than Sony ever did. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but Microsoft has decades of network security experience.

Now, MS willingly handing over the info the government is a whole different subject...
Technically the PSN "hack" was during a transition between systems - it was just a small window of opportunity - not a long available backdoor. PSN from what is stated already has all their transitions already in place for PS4 - XBL on the other hand is stating their system is going through a huge overhaul on the near horizon.

Additionally note that for the PSN hack not ONE person actually was evidenced to have been compromised - they warned of the possibility, but apparently their information only must've gotten out partially because literally ZERO was claimed on the insurance package that PSN bought relating to the outage. [And XBL has had a ton of SMALL scale hacks (of which I am one victim of - with an email address I'd only ever used for XBL at the time - zero other accounts associated and a different password than any other account at the time - and they were able to reassert control of it after I changed the pass again) of a few hundred accounts at a time - likely similar tricks and methods like WoW hackers do]

Additionally, the PSN hack was largely the EU market that was compromised - only something like 10% of US and 0% of JPN accounts were compromised from their early statements.
 

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In that article they mention that XBone won't be coming with headsets. I thought MS reversed their decision on that after fan backlash?