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meStevo

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I don't care. Wife has put all of $10 down on a Day One Xbox One, we have time to make an informed decision on whether or not to buy the console when we have the actual information. I'm not interested in going round and round with the mob manufacturing hysteria, much less people intent on leading it.
 
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You don't care, except you do, because here you are, trying to shill for a 1 billion dollar company by telling us to wait and see when we've been doing exactly that since May, and what we're seeing we aren't liking.

No one is manufacturing hysteria except Microsoft with their contradictory statements and attempts to monetize our living rooms for their profit at our expense. This is a major issue that should be talked about. Its that simple.
 
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hodj_sl said:
"Oh we'retotesnot working on this, but IF WE WERE, we'd TOTALLY let you choose to share that data with us or not!"
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I agreed with everything in your post, however...

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I agreed with everything in your post, however...

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Exactly the impact I hoped for!

Anyone remember this?

Xbox One: 'Advertising Is Part Of The Actual Experience' - NowGamer

"With the new Xbox One, the technology and Kinect has improved a lot," said the technical account manager for Xbox Live Advertising speaking to StickTwiddlers - who didn't supply any names for the various representatives.

This improvement in technology means "the voice recognition, the way you speak to your Xbox and the transition between gaming and watching TV is a lot smoother, and hopefully we can transpire that into advertising that we do."...

...Meanwhile the technical account manager for Xbox Live Advertising that the Xbox One will be an exciting time for the advertising team at Microsoft because the Xbox One is "built with advertising in mind".

"It's going to be an exciting transition though because the 360 console wasn't built with advertising in mind, it was more of an afterthought, so we've had to adapt to the technology and how we work to fit them in to the console," said the technical account manager.

Whereas this new one is going to have advertising in mind," he added, "so a lot of the limitations that we have now, hopefully the release of the boundaries will [be] widened so the opportunities will be a lot greater."
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So, they're have no plans to target ads to people via Kinect, yet that's exactly what they said they planned to do at this meeting that the ad age article references, and exactly what they said they designed the system for back in July.
 
Quaid

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The real fact of the matter is that this shit is coming. It's coming like a freight train. I just think it's incredibly arrogant of Microsoft to ram this up our assholes before your average consumer even knows what is happening...

This kind of source marketing is going to happen, but will require a huge shift in attitudes about privacy that simply hasn't occurred yet.
 
Oblio

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This might be the first time in the last 20 years I have not a new console at launch. Kind feels weird, but I just don't have the time to play and justify a $500 purchase.
 
Utnayan

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Oblio_sl said:
This might be the first time in the last 20 years I have not a new console at launch. Kind feels weird, but I just don't have the time to play and justify a $500 purchase.
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Just cancel any preorders like I did and upgrade your computer. There will be shit coming out in the next year post launch anyway with everyone up scaling their games rather than actually code for it, and honestly, the exclusive list looks weak as hell for both.
 
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Utnayan_sl said:
Just cancel any preorders like I did and upgrade your computer. There will be shit coming out in the next year post launch anyway with everyone up scaling their games rather than actually code for it, and honestly, the exclusive list looks weak as hell for both.
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All these gamers who must not have kids.I feel old.
 
Xarpolis

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You're not going to get much of a computer "upgrade" for $500. You're $220+ for a quality SSD, well over $300 for a "good" video card. CPU? Yeah, you're a little over a grand for just those 3.
Maybe you could go on the cheap with only purchasing a new video card & RAM and feel like you've accomplished something. But You're still going to be at the $500 benchmark.
 
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Xarpolis_sl said:
You're not going to get much of a computer "upgrade" for $500. You're $220+ for a quality SSD, well over $300 for a "good" video card. CPU? Yeah, you're a little over a grand for just those 3.
Maybe you could go on the cheap with only purchasing a new video card & RAM and feel like you've accomplished something. But You're still going to be at the $500 benchmark.
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You can get a brand spankin' new rig that will play most games on high-ultra at 45-60 FPS for around the $1000 mark quite easily.

Also, no budget gaming build of mine would ever include a luxury item like an SSD, let alone one for a ridiculous $220+.
 
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To be honest not enough games are really optimized that drastically these days to justify an upgraded PC. Maybe this will change with the new generation and it's only because this generation has been holding games back. Most good PC games don't need a high end PC to run on ultra. PC gaming isn't dead by any means. I just think it's taking a different direction to 'bleeding edge' graphics. I think PC gaming is more focused on bringing quality game play that you can't quiet pull of on a console. As it stands my i5 gtx 570 plays everything just fine.
 
Utnayan

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Xarpolis_sl said:
You're not going to get much of a computer "upgrade" for $500. You're $220+ for a quality SSD, well over $300 for a "good" video card. CPU? Yeah, you're a little over a grand for just those 3.
Maybe you could go on the cheap with only purchasing a new video card & RAM and feel like you've accomplished something. But You're still going to be at the $500 benchmark.
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#1: Why you think you need an SSD astounds me. You do not need an SSD to have a good gaming machine. A $200 dollar video card is more powerful than what has been put in either system. You can get a i5k O/C series CPU with Motherboard for under $250 from Microcenter. I am not talking about building a PC from scratch, which you would still be able to do with a legal O/S for $800. I am talking about an upgrade. Oh, and the added benefit of not having a camera track you in the living room trying to decide your buying habits like you are at an advanced superistic shopping mall.

The games, even once they get passed the upscale hurdle, will still be two to three years back. Before? At $299-399? Sure go nuts. At a $500 price point with all the bullshit being spewed so far? No way. And this isn't counting accessories. You are going to want that second $59.99 controller. Have a headset? Oops need a new one. Old one won't work. A few games? You are easily over $750 out the door before tax. Now take that money, build yourself even a better PC, and wait for the Steam sales which will sell the games at 50-75% off, or even better, have Green Man Gaming and Amazon and Steam all fighting each other over your dollars while you reap in the great deals, and don't have to pay $59 a year just to get the damn thing online to play multiplayer.

Plug in an Xbox Controller, hook it up to your TV, and it's just like a console. Albeit already 3 times as powerful as an Xbone or PS4.

DMK: I suggest running the following games on console vs your PC:

The Witcher 2
Skyrim
Dishonored
Metro 2033
Metro Last Light
Far Cry 3
Crysis 1, 2, 3.
Battlefield BC2, 3, of 4 beta.
Bioshock Infinite
Tomb Raider
Just Cause 2
Hell, even Call of Duty games.

It's to the point now where my eyes damn near bleed when playing a console game. And it has been that way for the last 4 years.

Now that a console caught up to a PC from 3 years ago... We will have Metro 2033 without AA? Sounds great sign me up.

Obviously graphics don't mean everything, but throwing down $750 (with tax, controller, or a game or two) to sit on a couch... Thank God for Steam OS, or people that have their PC's just plugged into their home theater setups if they ever want a good thumping gaming experience. Because all MS and Sony try to do is catch up with Jones's when all they did was buy the Jones's first house back in 1988.
 
Joeboo

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It'll be at least a year after launch before either system has enough exclusive content to be worth a purchase IMHO. I'll probably snag one about this time next year. And no, I don't consider 1 or 2 good exclusive games worth a console purchase. I'm going to need to see 5+ to make a $400-$500($600-$700 once game prices are figured in) purchase seem even remotely worthwhile.

Building a good gaming PC for a grand last year is going to save me $500+ this year, not having to get a console to play all the best games that release this holiday season.
 
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Utnayan_sl said:
#1: Why you think you need an SSD astounds me. You do not need an SSD to have a good gaming machine. A $200 dollar video card is more powerful than what has been put in either system. You can get a i5k O/C series CPU with Motherboard for under $250 from Microcenter. I am not talking about building a PC from scratch, which you would still be able to do with a legal O/S for $800. I am talking about an upgrade. Oh, and the added benefit of not having a camera track you in the living room trying to decide your buying habits like you are at an advanced superistic shopping mall.

The games, even once they get passed the upscale hurdle, will still be two to three years back. Before? At $299-399? Sure go nuts. At a $500 price point with all the bullshit being spewed so far? No way. And this isn't counting accessories. You are going to want that second $59.99 controller. Have a headset? Oops need a new one. Old one won't work. A few games? You are easily over $750 out the door before tax. Now take that money, build yourself even a better PC, and wait for the Steam sales which will sell the games at 50-75% off, or even better, have Green Man Gaming and Amazon and Steam all fighting each other over your dollars while you reap in the great deals, and don't have to pay $59 a year just to get the damn thing online to play multiplayer.

Plug in an Xbox Controller, hook it up to your TV, and it's just like a console. Albeit already 3 times as powerful as an Xbone or PS4.

DMK: I suggest running the following games on console vs your PC:

The Witcher 2
Skyrim
Dishonored
Metro 2033
Metro Last Light
Far Cry 3
Crysis 1, 2, 3.
Battlefield BC2, 3, of 4 beta.
Bioshock Infinite
Tomb Raider
Just Cause 2
Hell, even Call of Duty games.

It's to the point now where my eyes damn near bleed when playing a console game. And it has been that way for the last 4 years.

Now that a console caught up to a PC from 3 years ago... We will have Metro 2033 without AA? Sounds great sign me up.

Obviously graphics don't mean everything, but throwing down $750 (with tax, controller, or a game or two) to sit on a couch... Thank God for Steam OS, or people that have their PC's just plugged into their home theater setups if they ever want a good thumping gaming experience. Because all MS and Sony try to do is catch up with Jones's when all they did was buy the Jones's first house back in 1988.
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The only reason to buy consoles is for the exclusives and japanese games. Its really the only reason or justification.

I know Sony's exclusives are almost always universally good. Look at Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Demon Souls, etc. from the PS3 era, or go further back to the ps2 and ps1 era where virtually all Sony exclusives were top notch, and so were a lot of the Japanese games.

Its literally the only reason I buy them. The graphics are always sub par. No doubt about that.
 
Utnayan

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hodj_sl said:
The only reason to buy consoles is for the exclusives and japanese games. Its really the only reason or justification.

I know Sony's exclusives are almost always universally good. Look at Uncharted, Little Big Planet, Demon Souls, etc. from the PS3 era, or go further back to the ps2 and ps1 era where virtually all Sony exclusives were top notch, and so were a lot of the Japanese games.

Its literally the only reason I buy them. The graphics are always sub par. No doubt about that.
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Oh, completely agree with you. Thing is when I looked at it this year, if was so few and far between for good games over the lifespan of the console that one of the only things that made it viable for the life of the product was it's blu-ray drive and non cash wall netflix/amazon prime viewing. Which is why I am happily going to sit this one out, avoid all the hype, and grab a console after it goes on sale and see what joeboo said, 5+ games - which will also then be on sale as well.

Little Big Planet
Last of Us
Uncharted 2 (1 and 3 were not nearly as good in comparison quite honestly)
Metal Gear Solid 4
Heavy Rain
Demon Souls
Beyond Two Souls
God of War 3 (4 was awful)
Nino Ku nini or whatever the hell I played. That was fun too.

9 games. Over the course of 9 years.

Needless to say I can wait 9 years this time, buy a console for $99 bucks, get all these games for about 50, and call it a day in 2022.
 
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The trick is to wait until black friday or christmas and get a few pieces then. I got an i5 3750k ($170), z-77 motherboard with a free 8gigs of ram ($112) 7880 video card ($200ish) last year, and then reused my monitor and power supply. Also, my SSD was probably the best purchase I've made in awhile. It blows my mind how fast stuff loaded before and after.
 
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Oh, completely agree with you. Thing is when I looked at it this year, if was so few and far between for good games over the lifespan of the console that one of the only things that made it viable for the life of the product was it's blu-ray drive and non cash wall netflix/amazon prime viewing. Which is why I am happily going to sit this one out, avoid all the hype, and grab a console after it goes on sale and see what joeboo said, 5+ games - which will also then be on sale as well.

Little Big Planet
Last of Us
Uncharted 2 (1 and 3 were not nearly as good in comparison quite honestly)
Metal Gear Solid 4
Heavy Rain
Demon Souls
Beyond Two Souls
God of War 3 (4 was awful)
Nino Ku nini or whatever the hell I played. That was fun too.

9 games. Over the course of 9 years.

Needless to say I can wait 9 years this time, buy a console for $99 bucks, get all these games for about 50, and call it a day in 2022.
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Eh I could probably add a hefty lot of titles to that list, but I don't disagree. Gaming rewards patience nowadays. Big time.
 
Vaclav

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Big thing to me with jumping on day one for PS4 (And maybe XBOne - maybe... still on the fence about grabbing one if I see it on the shelf never did renew a P/O) is the PS+ and if they improve it XBOne free games programs - the value just gets ridiculous after a while, hell just Driveclub alone when the system launches makes my 18 month investment break even day one of the system.

Plus some games just play better on console - I'm sorry, but no amount of tweaking and controllers has made AC1-3 play as well on the PC as console - I tried to completely avoid playing them on console since I already owned them on PC and found the controls unworkable (got them in a humble or steam bundle at some point) - and only ever tried AC3 on the console because it came free with the 500GB PS3 at the time and then I suddenly realized "Holy shit, the controls don't suck - its just a PC thing" - even slapping the PS3 controller on the PC didn't get the same feel to the controls for whatever reason.

Maybe the SteamBox stuff will clear that up a bit with tighter quality controls on control schemata and easier "throwing it" to the TV set to play it big screen - but that's to be seen how it will actually operate. For today, right now - consoles are absolutely superior in some applications even when you've got both available to you.

Sure, some shit like "better lens flare" and an extra 200 pixels of resolution (that my monitor can't even display - don't see the reason to invest in a beyond 1080p monitor when it's "only" 26") might show up in the PC version at times but none of that changes the core experience - shitty textures and small level designs were the last constraints of consoles that PC often was forced to share the latter and only shined in the former - of which those shackles are both coming off in this generation. Not that it's stopping me from keeping a gaming PC for the wife and I, mind you - but they're apples and oranges for game types. (Never gonna get a real "Civ" style game on consoles for example)
 
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