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Xarpolis

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What I will say is I'd much rather have a camera watching me in my living room and improve the working conditions of the poor cunts that make my shoes/shirts/phone/everything in asia.
While I may gladly rape a different woman every day, I still give money to my local Animal Shelter. So I ask you this: If two people rape women every day, but one of them also donates to charity, who's worse?
Case closed.
 

Xarpolis

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When I go to my friends houses and see them just sitting there taking in ad after ad while they watch TV, it always makes me wonder how the fuck people can sit there and spend hours watching sexy-people-cramming-hamburgers-into-their-mouth ads and other terrible shit.
I only see Commercials a few times a year. They include any time I go to a movie theater, and when I watch the Superbowl (where I typically look for the commercials because I don't give a shit about football.)

I don't need Commercials on top of that extremely limited exposure. And I'm still a HUGE consumer. Corporate America would love people like me. We don't need commercials to buy their shit.
 

khalid

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We already have some sites that force you to interact with their ads before seeing content. I can't wait for when kinect forces you to pay attention to an ad or it won't let you continue on.

Fuck that shit and fuck MS for even mentioning it in the first place.
 

Xarpolis

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Microsoft reassures gamers that Xbox One Kinect will not misuse their private data

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2:45 PM When Microsoft first began sharing details of the new Kinect, Xbox users were immediately suspicious of how the next-generation console would make use of a camera that was always powered on. Eventually the negative press forced Microsoft's hand, and the Kinect is now no longer required for the Xbox One to turn on. Despite this concession, gamers were still concerned about an interview earlier this year in which a Microsoft employee suggested that the Kinect might use the data it collects in order to create targeted ads for Xbox One owners. Microsoft Director of Product PlanningAlbert Pinello took to NeoGAFto deny this claim.

A NeoGAF user was curious about how NuAds (interactive advertising that uses features of the Kinect) would be implemented on Xbox One. Pinello ensured the user that he is not aware of any work being done on targeted ads and that any information the Kinect does collect, such as recognizing users' faces and logging them in automatically, never leaves the console.

"I'll say this - we take a lot of heat around stuff we've done and I can roll with it. Some of it is deserved. But preventing Kinect from being used inappropriately is something the team takes very seriously," Pinello concluded.
 

khalid

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Isn't Sony just as evil as Microsoft?
First of all, I think its silly to call either one of them really "evil" in a serious way.

However, Sony this generation has shown a willingness to include features that people want without trying to force us to buy things we don't want. That to me indicates they aren't "as evil" as microsoft.
 

Sean_sl

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Depends on if you're talkin to all of us or just Sean!
I was pretty anti-Sony when Sony decided to take a shit on its fanbase. I'm pretty sure I got called a Microsoft Fanboyfar morethan anyone else back on FoH during its heyday. Sony's done some really fucked up shit and when they screwed the pooch it was full on Anal in the back of a Volkswagen. They've made a lot of progress since then and won back a lot of customer faith with how they've handled getting the PS3 high quality content. Plus, they've been hitting all the right notes and the people who are the driving forces behind the PS4 are really standing out as talented people that we can trust.

Sony Video - Next-Gen Power Players: Sony | GameTrailers

Microsoft Video - Next-Gen Power Players: Microsoft | GameTrailers

It's not impossible for Microsoft to win back our trust, but they're going to have to work for it just like Sony did and right now they're doing a really piss poor job at it.
 

Xexx

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I honestly give 2 shits of either system atm. The launch line up isnt really that impressive and most of what i want wont be available until next year. I'll likely always get both systems since both will inevitably always have something i want to play on it that the other will not.
 

Chanur

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Sony won back my trust. The pissed me off with their comments at the PS3 roll out and I said I would not buy one. I didn't, but their attitude with the PS4 really changed my opinion. Microsoft seems determined to switch places with them for me so here we are.
 

Foggy

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Well the holocaust happened, so Microsoft isn't so bad.
Thought I would just take your argument to its eventual conclusion. And you are right, Microsoft isn't as bad as Hitler, so I'm a hypocrite for playing as the axis in world war 2 games and being upset with Microsoft at the same time.
 

hodj

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Microsoft reassures gamers that Xbox One Kinect will not misuse their private data

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2:45 PM When Microsoft first began sharing details of the new Kinect, Xbox users were immediately suspicious of how the next-generation console would make use of a camera that was always powered on. Eventually the negative press forced Microsoft's hand, and the Kinect is now no longer required for the Xbox One to turn on. Despite this concession, gamers were still concerned about an interview earlier this year in which a Microsoft employee suggested that the Kinect might use the data it collects in order to create targeted ads for Xbox One owners. Microsoft Director of Product PlanningAlbert Pinello took to NeoGAFto deny this claim.

A NeoGAF user was curious about how NuAds (interactive advertising that uses features of the Kinect) would be implemented on Xbox One. Pinello ensured the user that he is not aware of any work being done on targeted ads and that any information the Kinect does collect, such as recognizing users' faces and logging them in automatically, never leaves the console.

"I'll say this - we take a lot of heat around stuff we've done and I can roll with it. Some of it is deserved. But preventing Kinect from being used inappropriately is something the team takes very seriously," Pinello concluded.
This is directly contradicted by their own statements, which are also internally contradictory. See also this post by me prior to your post

Microsoft continuing the trend I pointed to way way way back at the start of this thread of stating something, and then contradicting themselves in the same sentence

Microsoft moves to calm fear over Xbox One advertising Eurogamer.net

"Microsoft has very, very good policies around privacy," he said. "We're a leader in the world of privacy, I think you'll find. We take it very seriously. We aren't using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word 'Xbox on' and then switch on the machine, butwe don't transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that."
And of course "explicitly opting into that" will happen when you first agree to the EULA when you first turn on the box and if you don't, then you won't be able to use the product you just purchased.

We aren't stupid. Microsoft thinks we are though.
 

hodj

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Yeah, MS is looking to get the Ad Age article corrected, and have reiterated yet again we'll have control over the data we choose to share and all that jazz.Microsoft Denies Report of Ad Data Harvested From Xbox One's Kinect - Eric Johnson - Media - AllThingsD

I'm sure that'll somehow be interpreted as another 180, we'll see what the process looks like soon enough.
Even their own statement trying to deny it has a contradiction "Oh we're totes not working on this, but IF WE WERE, we'd TOTALLY let you choose to share that data with us or not!"

Not buying it bro.

Here's why

Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages | World news | The Guardian

Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian.

The files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley and the intelligence agencies over the last three years. They also shed new light on the workings of the top-secret Prism program, which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.

The documents show that:

. Microsoft helped the NSA to circumvent its encryption to address concerns that the agency would be unable to intercept web chats on the new Outlook.com portal;

. The agency already had pre-encryption stage access to email on Outlook.com, including Hotmail;

. The company worked with the FBI this year to allow the NSA easier access via Prism to its cloud storage service SkyDrive, which now has more than 250 million users worldwide;

. Microsoft also worked with the FBI's Data Intercept Unit to "understand" potential issues with a feature in Outlook.com that allows users to create email aliases;

. In July last year, nine months after Microsoft bought Skype, the NSA boasted that a new capability had tripled the amount of Skype video calls being collected through Prism;

. Material collected through Prism is routinely shared with the FBI and CIA, with one NSA document describing the program as a "team sport".
Again, they can always just require you to give them permission to share that data in some couched portion of the EULA which millions of people will happily accept without reading when they plug up the new Xbone on Christmas morn for little Billy and Cindy McRottencrotch.

To put it simply: Microsoft are serial liars, fabricators who contradict their own statements even within the same sentence and are terminally untrustworthy on this issue. Of course they're demanding a retraction, the story continues to verify that they're working on monetizing your living room, and that's bad press they want to run away from.

Doesn't mean they actually stopped trying to monetize your living room, though.

These are the people charging 60 bucks a year for Xbox live gold, after all.
 

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Yes because nobody will ever read the EULA and countries will be completely kosher with MS collecting data as a mandatory part of the console, right? You guys are trying too hard. It's out in just over 6 weeks, more leaks and review consoles will be out shortly and we'll see exactly how this is handled soon enough. "because NSA!" is not a rabbit hole I'm going down.
 

Xevy

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Yeah you suckers complain now til you're playing Halo 7 and BAM! Free code for free 20pc Chicken McNuggets. Fuck your foresight.
 

hodj

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Yes because nobody will ever read the EULA and countries will be completely kosher with MS collecting data as a mandatory part of the console, right? You guys are trying too hard. It's out in just over 6 weeks, more leaks and review consoles will be out shortly and we'll see exactly how this is handled soon enough. "because NSA!" is not a rabbit hole I'm going down.
They're already doing it and countries aren't doing anything about it. They've been doing it for a decade with the NSA and PRISM spying scandal and here we are with people like you pretending it doesn't exist, doesn't happen, or someone would surely be outraged if it was. Well, it is, and we are outraged, but you're ignoring that and pretending we're "Trying too hard." Trying to hard to what? Discern truth from fiction in Microsoft's contradictory horseshit statements and attempts to close the barn door after the cows have all run off? If they'd give us a straight answer without constantly couching it in qualifications and contradictions, it would require a lot less effort to figure out exactly where they stand on this issue. With the run around they're giving us, I'm leaning more towards the "We really want to do this but don't know how to sell it to the public in a way that they'll find palatable" end of the spectrum than the "We're a major corporation with NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in monetizing your living room and as much of your life as possible" end of things.

Note how they never seem to say that they won't be collecting data, just that they won't be using it without your permission. Or that they're "unaware of anything currently in the works" when they've already admitted flat out it can read heartbeats, and does in fact record data and return it to Microsoft in one form or another.

Here's a quote for you to ruminate on for awhile

Microsoft: No, Xbox Onet be used to gather user data for ads - Neowin

The comments in Ad Age attributed to Yusuf Mehdi were not in relation to Kinect. We do not have plans to target ads or content to you based on any data Kinect collects. We have a long-standing commitment to your privacy andwill not target ads to you based on any data Kinect collects unless you choose to allow us to do so. Furthermore, we will give you a clear explanation of what is collected and how it will be used. Importantly, we do not collect your personal information to share or sell to third parties, and you are fully in control over what personal data is shared. We have strict policies to protect your privacy and these policies will continue to be upheld with our next generation product.
So again, they're contradicting themselves. Either they're not working on it, and collecting data and sending ads isn't possible and they have no plans to engage in it, or they are and have been working on it, are capable of doing so, but they won't use it to collect data or send you ads without your prior permission. Which is it? When they contradict themselves this much, we have a right to be worried. Note that in that quoted paragraph, they flat out admit that the Kinect is collecting data or will collect data. They just won't say the extent or what is being recorded or how they plan to use it, except to say they won't do so, without your permission.

Literally you can't trust anything they say on this issue, and the NSA stuff should be a rabbit hole you're willing to go down because its a pretty big deal to put a fucking camera and microphone in your living room that records literally every single detail down to the millimeter that it sees, and sends it off to some server in fucking Redwood or what the fuck ever to sit on a platter until someone comes along and subpoenas that data to use as a weapon against you. Simply because you played video games on their retarded fucking console.

I would rather people be aware of the possibility that this data will be recorded and stored for Microsoft and the Government's use before dropping 5 bones on the system. That's it. Buyers should be aware of what they are potentially purchasing in this type of survellience environment. How long will be it, seriously, if people aren't upset and aren't making a big deal out of this, before we start hearing about drug busts being conducted based on data the Feds subpoenaed from your Xbox One Kinect? If the data is being collected and stored, it will be targetted. Just like Facebook, Twitter, World of Warcraft, etc. have all been usurped to such ends in the past. Including Xbox live.

That's why we're making a big deal about this. People need to know that Microsoft is looking, very hard, at a way to turn your living room into a weapon by which they sell you shit and by which malicious third parties could harm your family.

Hell let's think about the potential for someone discovering an exploit that allows them to monitor homes through the internet via the Xbox One Kinect camera and microphone as well, here. This isn't paranoia. Its a fucking major issue that will prevent me from purchasing this product, that's a fact.
 

Xevy

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You know that box where it says "would you like to be informed about other Xbox Live deals?"


Yeah, you're dumb.