The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Cor_sl said:

Except they're not selling well. The 3ds is down yoy in sales worldwide, must likely due to the ever increasing popularity of iOS and android gaming, and the Wii U is not selling anywhere.

Nintendo needed something really special for this Nintendo direct, and they had nothing. They failed to deliver big time.

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"Well" is a loaded statement. Are (most of) the games and the system doing as well as last gen? No. Are they selling enough for the company to survive? Absolutely.

It's already the next-gen that interests me for them now. Like I said, even Gamecube level sales now seem to be out of their reach for the Wii U. Do they abandon consoles and just go with a multi-touch (so they can port Android/iPhone games) handheld that also streams to a TV? Who knows.

All they needed is games for the Wii U and that is what they showed. The Wii U already has tons of features similar to the PS/Xbox. 3DS sales are most likely down because tons of people who were interested in 3DS already have one..? Hasn't the DS/3DS been near the top for awhile? How many more can they honestly keep selling?

iOS and android gaming is hurting everyone else, most likely the handheld gaming mostly, but 3DS hardware has had its share, software is still strong.

Has anything been mentioned of an Uncharted game?

I can't believe Microsoft could fuck up so badly. I have serious MS fanboy friends who are already swearing their fealty to Sony.

The issue is Nintendo has nothing but first party. They are way too different from Xbone/PS4 to think to get those third parties. The WiiU install base is too small for a 3rd party to make an "exclusive" (exclusive only because it pretty much has to be) AAA title. So they will get the same old shit Nintendo always gets. Personally I have outgrown Smash Bros, Kirby, Mario and all that shit a long, long time ago. Perhaps I'm being replaced by younger consumers. I'm not saying that is out of the realm. But I don't believe the 3DS sold very well internationally and I know the WiiU did not.

Didn't see any Uncharted news, though I did enjoy how Sony slipped the "You must be a Plus member to play games online (multiplayer)". Basically pulled a not so bad version of what Microsoft did.

Its also really easy to forget the Wii crushed.

Nintendo doesn't cater to dudebros. And in doing that alienates alot of devs.

Nintendos main flaw here is doing the same shit ms did with kinect. Forcing these stupid motion controls into EVERYTHING.
And then, they released the wiiU a full year before everyone else, and have nothing to show for it, with games. even now. 2014. huge fucking mistake.
if wiiu launched as it did, and X, bayonetta, DK, mariokart, along with watch dogs, rayman legends were 2013. we would not be having this conversation.


Games like Destiny being 360/ps3 and NOT wiiU is a serious problem too. tech is obviously not the problem here.

So does the xbone/ps4 use a standard 2.5" replacable hard drive? Cause the Microsoft hard drives really rustled my jimmies.

DeLLy_sl said:

3DS sales are most likely down because tons of people who were interested in 3DS already have one..? Hasn't the DS/3DS been near the top for awhile? How many more can they honestly keep selling?

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Again, just so everyone is clear: The 3DS was actually selling better than the DS did in the first ~18 months. However, it was around this point that DS sales exploded (the DS lite was introduced around now); in contrast, 3DS sales are already shrinking vs last year, though you can certainly expect a bump for the pokemanz.

No handheld will ever sell like the GBA and DS did; phones have eaten up too much of that market. The 3DS will still be a healthy system.

Ritley_sl said:

So does the xbone/ps4 use a standard 2.5" replacable hard drive? Cause the Microsoft hard drives really rustled my jimmies.

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PS4 will launch with a 500GB hard drive, but should that not be enough, you can simply buy a larger one. (Terabyte drives go for well under $100.)

Xbox One does not support user-replaceable hard drives. However, that console does support external USB 3.0 storage devices.

Abefroman_sl said:

Nintendo is like that pet you grew up with and loved. Sadly it just needs to be put to sleep now.

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Really? w
When Mario galaxy 3, Mario kart and zelda 35 or whatever number they are up to hits the console it will sell like mad. Nintendo sells a fuck ton because the all the rights to the most iconic and loved characters.

I bought but barely played Galaxy and twilight princess for the Wii. Haven't really played any Mario/Zelda game since the 64, doubt I will ever buy a Wii U but said the same thing about the Wii. Nintendo makes some seriously appealing shit I impulse buy and they aren't going away any time in our life time.

Wombat_sl said:

"Well" is a loaded statement. Are (most of) the games and the system doing as well as last gen? No. Are they selling enough for the company to survive? Absolutely.

It's already the next-gen that interests me for them now. Like I said, even Gamecube level sales now seem to be out of their reach for the Wii U. Do they abandon consoles and just go with a multi-touch (so they can port Android/iPhone games) handheld that also streams to a TV? Who knows.

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I agree that Gamecube level sales are out of reach for the Wii U, barring some miraculous turnaround for the Wii U's fortunes, of course. According to Nintendo's last financial results, the Wii U has sold 3.45 million units as of the end of March, which is fairly respectable. The problem is that sales have tapered off to such a degree that sales are virtually non-existent at the moment.

Looking at the 3ds, it's down yoy worldwide, which is not where it wants to be. It's now fallen behind the ds and has no chance of catching up, again barring some miraculous turnaround in sales.

At the moment, yes, Nintendo will survive, but only because of the massive warchest they're sitting on. They've posted an operating loss of around $825 million over the last two years - if they keep on posting those sorts of results, that warchest won't be around for much longer.

The main reason why Nintendo needs this warchest is to protect itself from hostile takeovers. If the warchest gets small enough, a company like Disney could swoop in and take over Nintendo's IPs, which would be disastrous.

I don't see what Nintendo can do other than go third party like Sega did. I can't see them competing in the console space, and I can't see handheld consoles surviving in the future. Smartphones/tablets are dominating already, and the gap is going to continue to grow even wider in the coming years.



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The 3ds will make them money, that's for sure, but I can't see them releasing another handheld in the future and having it succeed, which is a massive problem.

I think, going forwards, Iwata and his team has to go. They're out of touch with the current state of gaming and they seem to be making bad decision after bad decision. It's quite disheartening to watch.

As much as the general public love Mario, i really don't see the WiiU selling well at all. There is a whole new generation of people out there that recognize Angry Birds before Mario. And for $300+ and $60 bucks a game you get some side scrolling platformers that non core gamers cant tell apart from free iOS games.

X X E X X_sl said:

Meh i've no interest in playing another mario or zelda anything on a nintendo console. Maybe if Zelda was remade in a more serious tone on a ps4/xb1 then id play it. However i just dont see the point in it at all. Wonderful101 looks pretty fun and amazing and games like that would sell me the system looooooooooong before i bought it to play the same shit ive played before. Although a Super Mario RPG would be king, i love the original enough to play another, but fuck all that other shit.

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From the guy wanting to buy 2 Xbones.. of course you wouldn't want to play Mario or Zelda.

Quick question. The playstation+ and the equivalent xbox service are pay programs that deliver basically the same thing as Steam does for free?

Prodigal_sl said:

Yeah my post was more about hoping for mouse/keyboard support (not very clear I know) for games. Much better idea than including a camera.

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Standard Keyboard / Mouse support on a next-gen console would rock my world. Unlikely to happen, as it introduces big competitive problems to things like shooters, etc. But there's just so many games (shooters included), like MMO's, RPG's, RTS's, etc that I still play that a controller just can never replace.

Thorne_sl said:

As much as the general public love Mario, i really don't see the WiiU selling well at all. There is a whole new generation of people out there that recognize Angry Birds before Mario. And for $300+ and $60 bucks a game you get some side scrolling platformers that non core gamers cant tell apart from free iOS games.

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Millions of bored house wives will disagree I am sure. While I am personally not interested in any of the Mario/Zelda games it will sell the console.

ThunderCougarFalconBird_sl said:

Standard Keyboard / Mouse support on a next-gen console would rock my world. Unlikely to happen, as it introduces big competitive problems to things like shooters, etc. But there's just so many games (shooters included), like MMO's, RPG's, RTS's, etc that I still play that a controller just can never replace.

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