The Dragon Prince

The hell kind of public library do you visit? Your homophobe is showing.

I don't, it's a commonly known thing that some library hosted many times story time with a drag queen that was a felon.

And I ain't scared of /the/ gays, I am scared of the civilizations decline and collapse they bring - rome..

All I know is, I've seen 1000x more gay people in TV and movies than I've seen in my entire real life. This shit is WAY over represented.

Because fortunately or unfortunately, representation through media has been pretty much nonexistant until now. You and your parents probably haven't seen too many gays or trannies or whatever because that isn't your lifestyle. You live a (I'm assuming) hetero life with the accompanying values. While this is the majority of the populous, we are now in an age where representation is being pined after, and minorities want to see people they can relate to on the screen.

Honestly it's pretty easy to go along with - just pretend the show has people, instead of labels, and most storylines carry their own weight. There are shows that literally shove your face in their progressiveness, like the cis-white male needs to have their face shoved in urine like a bad dog who pissed the carpet, but those are easy to write off. This show doesn't blare those particular klaxons at me, but I mean maybe it does for you. A lesbian couple kissing on screen is no big deal to me personally - shit there's an entire porn category dedicated to it that most men get off on - so /shrug. Explaining it to the kiddos seems fairly straightforward - two people love each other, they don't always have to be a man and a woman. Ez Pz. Kid show can remain a kid show.

Well, I guess it's never to early to teach the kids about Sodom and Gomorrah then eh?

The show already is plenty of progressive with the "ultra perfect good black king of justice and peace" and his "white guy friend that is bad"

Homosexuality is at nature against nature, they can't procreate - so us all pretending it's okay, and pretending that it is not a small number and an abnormality is self denial.

Society is destroying "man bros" with homosexuality - the LOTR "lol frodo and Sam pegging" is example of this- we have turned any male to male brothership and "bro" to gay, when it's not. Brotherhood and strong friendship has been diminished and destroyed by "u gay" - you can be bros without sticking your dick in their ass and slay sweet female pussy.

The rise of adrogony and the fall of Rome - we are destroying our civilization from "acceptance" and within.

The fact is, this was a clear and purposeful message and narrative control targeted to young children.

And yes, the kiss scene was a step beyond what they should have done- did the king and queen even kiss? Are there any other examples of this?

And again, I am choosing to REEE about this shit while you orange man bad cucks REEE about trying to end war in Syria and Korea - etc.

So yeah there reeee lol

I mean ideology aside, it doesn't matter if you believe homosexuality is against nature - the fact is people identify as these LGBTQ things, and they are yearning for representation. Sure, to me and you, every white male can be the lead and every gorgeous blonde can be the romantic interest, with a black moustached antagonist. Films throughout history primarily were this formula because you didn't have homosexuals "outed" because they got sent to asylums for "rehabilitation". We've moved past that - and progressivism isn't a bad thing in that regards - it is just a fancy way to say tolerance. We are tolerant of all creeds, nationalities, and sexual preferences. Hell we are even tolerant of made up genders - because at its core, people are just people. People want to watch shows and see a bit of themselves, or their struggles, or someone they can relate to in media. Back in the day, women were in kitchen and men did all the heroics - so every film had that formula. We change with the times.

I don't know where you get your data on brotherly love suddenly being equated with gay love - but you are mixing the types of love that are shown on screen (or maybe society is, but this is a knowledge problem). There are 3 types of love (Philos, Agape, Eros) which corresponds to Philia (Family love) the love you have for your brothers, sisters, family members; Agape (Worldy love) an abstract love, basically the kinship you feel with all creatures and people; and Eros (Romantic) love which is what you would feel with your significant other.

Shows can fall on their face properly evoking these types of love on screen. Sam and Frodo's love is an Agape love that turns into a Philial love - they are strangers that form a brotherly bond. This is still love, just not Eros. In The Dragon Prince the two female rulers share an Eros love - which isn't horrible or sinful, it's just 2 people being intimate.

As far as this show targeting our youth - it should to a degree - TOLERANCE should be taught at a young age, lest children grow up to be bigots. We are all bigoted to a degree based on how we were raised and our experiences in life - but in a family-friendly show teaching tolerance can temper young minds to hopefully not be so egregiously bigoted to certain ideas. There is no reason to hate homosexuals, or trans people, or <insert ideology that doesn't mesh with yours>. You don't have to adopt their philosophy, but if it makes you angry that their struggles or beliefs are represented in media now, you should look at your own bigotries and see if you can overcome them. This show like many before it reaches a broad audience with themes, but resonates with young minds for the overarching fantasy. Just like how Animaniacs was a kids cartoon that had undertones of adult themes - if you have good writers, you can please both the adults who watch a show, and the kids who don't understand or care to understand the importance of the king being Black or that the two lady rulers shared a kiss.

Either you drown in shipping fanart or click long enough to be crit by progressive essays.

Nidhogg said:

I don't know where you get your data on brotherly love suddenly being equated with gay love

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Here's the problem (and this does not apply to Dragon Prince thank God), gay "love" is typically depicted as two male strangers locking gaze across a room, then immediately turns to them going at it in the back room. It is rare for TV and movies to actually show couples in a loving, committed relationship. Like or not, gay people are being mostly presented as promiscuous whores across today's media. Is this how they want to be represented?

Progressivism is not equal to tolerance - that is a huge issue with that line of thought...

Randin said:

I had no objections to the queens being lesbians. What did get a "huh?" out of me was the fact that their daughter was a blend of both of their features. Unless there's a whole other angle to what's going on here, only one of them should be her biological parent.

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A movie with actual magic and dragons but somehow lesbians finding a way to get each other pregnant is the step too far?

Rezz said:

Yeah... it was telegraphed completely that the king is now the parrot. I didn't know there was any confusion over that hah.

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I think that will come into play once the kid who can talk to animals gets back because he immediately is going to understand what happened.

ShakyJake said:

Here's the problem (and this does not apply to Dragon Prince thank God), gay "love" is typically depicted as two male strangers locking gaze across a room, then immediately turns to them going at it in the back room. It is rare for TV and movies to actually show couples in a loving, committed relationship. Like or not, gay people are being mostly presented as promiscuous whores across today's media. Is this how they want to be represented?

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Hmm I don't know - I don't watch too many shows that aren't Hulu/Netflxed, but I haven't personally witnessed "gay" love being distilled down to "I gotta put my dick in that other dude". I guess Modern Family would be the only one I can readily draw from - their gay couple on the show barely even mentions intimacy. I would be wary of any comedy drama accurately depicting anything resembling healthy relationships though. Half their "drama" depicted would end in divorces no matter what gender was pining after the other.

TV shows will adapt - I mean I wonder what the youth of today would think about All in the Family? Archie Bunker is a classic (for me at least) but I doubt anyone today would find the show resonating with any particular demographic, except maybe wormie.

This is a foul-mouthed dub over of Maisie Williams's (Arya) lines from genLOCK onto Rayla.

Nidhogg said:

This is not SJW - this is just US history.

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This is an old post I know, but trailer just dropped and I saw it. Its ironic that you mention this, because I believe this is why the show is SJW garbage--precisely this reason, because the writers believe this (Will explain below, but let me punch some holes in this "real history" first).

First, U.S. history is not about stealing land from natives. U.S. history is about religious refugees being attacked by xenophobic native racists sometimes for nothing at all, and other times because the evil racist natives blamed all refugees for the action of a few extremists. In the end these religious refugees with their religion of peace just defended themselves from this extreme racism. Every word of the above is true, btw. It's just extremely condensed and biased in what that compression of data chooses to leave out.

Which is all SJW shit typically is. Its not an UNTRUE version of events, its just so myopic and distorted that it may as well be untrue. The reality is U.S. history was not about stealing land from natives. SOME land was stolen, some of it very overtly or it was coerced through treaty. Some of it was taken after natives launched attacks on peaceful settlers who dared settle in unoccupied lands and competed with natives for resources (And those lands were not occupied because 1.) The native population in NA was far smaller than most people realize. 2.) 90% of them were wiped out by diseases brought by early traders before the first settlers/colonials even arrived.) However, in many cases, no land changed hands at all--the land was simply not occupied by anyone. Anti-Colonial historians simply began to just color in large swaths of ground on maps and say that X tribe owned it, but we have no evidence of many of those tribes ever occupying much of that land (Again, because populations were very small--and about 90% of them were wiped out by disease. So assigning lands to them is done more for political narratives today than the actual reality.)

Your answer here though is really ironic given you gave the SJW version of history, which I think is what is affecting this show. Great book on where most of these myths that U.S. history was only this and the natives were never the aggressors came from, Debunking Zinn (A People's history ect).

There are lots of shows on right now that do push male-hate or whatever you want to call it, or go over the top to show women can do things, I don't think this show strikes that chord, but hey maybe it does with you. I'm pretty sure if you look too hard at anything you can find progressive views and empowerment and slam it as SJW.

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I don't think the show is "SJW" for the various reasons mentioned (Though you're kind of silly if you believe some of those break downs are not to promote and SJ theme; its not that they exist, its the extreme ham-fistedness of them but this post is already going to be long.); rather I think the SJW aspect is most seen in the shows obtuse reliance on the audience filling in the blanks with Anti-Colonial historical views, which stems from the writers trying to form a metaphor for precisely what you described in your first sentence. Its pretty clear they want our humans to be the stand in for European colonialism, and the other races to be the oppressed natives.

Here is the thing though...They didn't actually SHOW this in the show at all. The humans apologize for how evil they are, and what "they did" and the Elves act like self righteous dick heads who clearly want to hurt and kill the humans because they "feel" wronged.... But lets take inventory. Who was expelled from their native lands? The humans were. Who is being attacked unprovoked? The humans are. Who is actually significantly weaker and more marginalized (No access to magic ect)? The humans are. Who HATES the other side and is originally hostile? The Elves (The humans are all largely confused among the main cast). It seems like the show simply EXPECTED us to believe the humans are the great oppressor and terrible because of how people act, but what it SHOWS us is humans are the ones oppressed, or at least history is significantly more complex than one side is bad and the other side is good. And what reason is given for this naked aggression against humans? Because ONE man did something bad, apparently. Does that sound like a good reason to expel and entire people and then repeatedly attack and hate them for generations? (If so, your fine ideals about tolerance and other things are going to be called into question.)

That is what makes it an SJW show, I think. The writers are so wrapped up in their metaphors that they failed to realize....this is another world and they actually need to show how the people in the show are the kinds of people they are looking to create narratives around. Instead they seem to be reliant people understanding their ideological views to fill in the blanks and picking up' on the fact that this is a metaphor for colonial history so the audience can just fill in the blanks Its just lazy writing, and its lazy because it relies on very homogenized, ideological views to get everyone on the same page (IE the actual SJW aspect) rather than SHOWING these things through actions in the story.

Which is why its a shit show. (Note: My review is from the first season only, not idea if they actually tried to explain why everyone was a dip shit by season 2, I was out at that point.)

Nidhogg said:

Because fortunately or unfortunately, representation through media has been pretty much nonexistant until now. You and your parents probably haven't seen too many gays or trannies or whatever because that isn't your lifestyle. You live a (I'm assuming) hetero life with the accompanying values.

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No, its because people who are purely homosexual are 2% of the population or so. Its a 3+SD outlier, which means there is a greater than not chance in a lifetime most people will never actually meet one. Currently in prime time TV the number is close to 10%, 500% of the typical population.

It feels different because it is very, very, very different from reality. I don't care about that, but those are the facts.

TJT said:

#DarkMagicDidNothingWrong

Also fuck elfs. The most SJW thing about the whole narrative is just painting humans as shitbags. For what? Surviving in a world that is blatantly racist towards them because a very small number of them use dark magic. Which they use only because they do not have an innate, natural connection to the primal sources from birth? It isn't like we see dark mages everywhere. Out of all the kingdoms its literally only Viren and Claudia that we've seen so far. Even then King Harrow didn't like it. He just tolerated Dark Magic because it produced results and Viren was a loyal servant. Yeah what assholes they must be. It would have been more noble to starve to death and not kill a magma monster so you can grow food. If only the magical creatures and elfs had such empathy to help others. Nevermind that the vehicle that started the current situation with the Dragon Prince began because of the Magma monster hunt. Which was done as a last resort in total desperation to prevent starvation.

But it is humans that need to practice peace and love and not elves who make magical assassins' oaths to kill people. The same elfs who magically sundered the land itself to prevent humans from ever getting into their precious Xadia.

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Honestly, this right here is the reason I was speaking about. There is nothing in the show that has shown me humans are the bad guys. If anything, they are the oppressed. This show could almost be a metaphor for the Crusades and our modern view of them.

Apparently the Elves are the culture of peace while created assasin blood oaths and attacking human kingdoms without provocation after attempting commit genocide on humanity. But somehow the humans need to apologize to THEM, they are the ones wrong. As said, culture of peace.

Lithose said:

No, its because people who are purely homosexual are 2% of the population or so. Its a 3+SD outlier, which means there is a greater than not chance in a lifetime most people will never actually meet one.

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Assuming 2% is correct, I think there' something wrong with your math there, because that conclusion is batshit crazy unless you live in a cabin in the woods and have never been to school.