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pretty much.. I wont roll on shit I don't care to use... side note.. A lot of chest/heavy bags are missed if you're running with a fast paced group. Don't zone out at the end and go back and explore.
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Tuco
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Some grind groups get up to 20-30m levels, but that's with optimal groups. Plus there's wasted time with organization. If you're getting 30-40m levels I don't think grind groups are worth it unless you get bored out of your mind and want some company.
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I had such low expectation for ESO PvE content mainly because I had horrible beta experience involving "logging off at lvl3 on newbie island and never bother to log back on". But hey, I am lvl30 now on live and after finishing everything in 3 main maps (plus 2 islands), I have to say this whole ESO MMO experience has been rare, interesting, and surprisingly positive.
So what happened?
Exploration, you get quests by explore. Yes, there is a main quest line to follow starting from tutorial area. But once you finish tutorial zone. You will be at the main city. You can choose to go back to the "beta newbie island". It's up to you, but all I know is from the main city, every direction you explore, you will find side quests for all these little areas. Keep in mind that explore an area doesn't always mean finishing quest line there.
In many cases, there is quest available for an area. Instead, you need to visit a shrine; defeat a group+ mob; close a rift (AKA dark anchor); or discovery ancient craft station in which to craft unique gear set. What's more? You find all crafting materials only by exploration; you will find Lore books that level up your skills, even better, if you love lore in Elder Scroll. READ ALL OF THEM. What about chest? You will find all these hidden chests out of nowhere and have a little lock-picking mini-game. Get into someone's house? open every closets, desks, and bookshelf. It is like Christmas, different stuff every time.
And boys, you don't want to miss out all those Skyshards. That's how you get more skill points. You can also join up Fighter Guild or Mage Guild just like all other Elder Scroll games. By leveling up these guilds, you can acquire unique guild spells/abilities. And don't forget you can turn in Vampire or Werewolf!
Questing in ESO does NOT get overwhelming or distracted. Single quest chain for each small area, you don't grab five quests from five different NPCs in a hub like you shop in a supermarket. Instead, you can spend time and listen to voice acting from that SINGLE quest chain in the area. Even better, I have NOT encountered a single quest that involve "kill X amount of mob". None of that shit. And no, quest giver does NOT shown on the map, you could only detect them through compass.
Now, that's just PvE in ESO. AvA(massive PvP) is even more exciting in ESO. Remember RvR in DAoC? Warhammer Online? Or WvW in GW2?
So what happened?
Exploration, you get quests by explore. Yes, there is a main quest line to follow starting from tutorial area. But once you finish tutorial zone. You will be at the main city. You can choose to go back to the "beta newbie island". It's up to you, but all I know is from the main city, every direction you explore, you will find side quests for all these little areas. Keep in mind that explore an area doesn't always mean finishing quest line there.
In many cases, there is quest available for an area. Instead, you need to visit a shrine; defeat a group+ mob; close a rift (AKA dark anchor); or discovery ancient craft station in which to craft unique gear set. What's more? You find all crafting materials only by exploration; you will find Lore books that level up your skills, even better, if you love lore in Elder Scroll. READ ALL OF THEM. What about chest? You will find all these hidden chests out of nowhere and have a little lock-picking mini-game. Get into someone's house? open every closets, desks, and bookshelf. It is like Christmas, different stuff every time.
And boys, you don't want to miss out all those Skyshards. That's how you get more skill points. You can also join up Fighter Guild or Mage Guild just like all other Elder Scroll games. By leveling up these guilds, you can acquire unique guild spells/abilities. And don't forget you can turn in Vampire or Werewolf!
Questing in ESO does NOT get overwhelming or distracted. Single quest chain for each small area, you don't grab five quests from five different NPCs in a hub like you shop in a supermarket. Instead, you can spend time and listen to voice acting from that SINGLE quest chain in the area. Even better, I have NOT encountered a single quest that involve "kill X amount of mob". None of that shit. And no, quest giver does NOT shown on the map, you could only detect them through compass.
Now, that's just PvE in ESO. AvA(massive PvP) is even more exciting in ESO. Remember RvR in DAoC? Warhammer Online? Or WvW in GW2?
Tuco
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Cyrodiil has been pretty fun so far, but it's even more anonymous and and pointless than GW2 was. You literally can't tell who you're fighting, it's all this anonymouse player funhouse.Now, that's just PvE in ESO. AvA(massive PvP) is even more exciting in ESO. Remember RvR in DAoC? Warhammer Online? Or WvW in GW2?
Last night we were sieging an enemy keep deep in their territory and got flanked by a huge force of organized players and were wiped for the first time in ESO. Our scouts saw them and reported their presence immediately but we didn't have enough time or ability to redirect siege at them. We have no idea which guild was leading that attack, which removes a whole dimension from organized PvP.
And because you have no investment in any particular keep there is not much excitement from taking one or losing one. You just fight over the same keeps every day. The length of the campaigns means that unlike GW2 nobody cares about points or who is winning.
That being said, we're having a lot of fun, they just made the game watered down compared to previous PvP games.
There are no nameplates so you have no idea who you are attacking or what guild they belong to.
FWIW nameplates were a major discussion issue on the PTS forums the entire time I was on PTS starting in January. By then nameplates were already gone.
Apparently the reason they were removed is because the PVPers on PTS complained about them. If I understand their argument correctly, they claimed that nameplates gave away your position to the enemy. Personally that didn't make sense to me because if you are sneaking, the nameplates should disappear. If you aren't sneaking, then the enemy can see you anyways so who cares at that point.
Once they were removed, there has been nonstop requests to add them back in so I assume ZOS will eventually add them back in.
Tuco
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Nameplates do give away your position, but so do the blue/yellow/red markers and health bars above your names. Everything is hidden when stealthed.
What's funny about the removal of features that help people organize is that it just makes it so much easier for extremely organized groups like ours to beat disorganized groups of random people on the map. I can't imagine trying to lead a group of people around the map. The militia on both sides just trickle in everywhere which makes it easy for our skirmish groups to shut down reinforcements by picking them off.
What's funny about the removal of features that help people organize is that it just makes it so much easier for extremely organized groups like ours to beat disorganized groups of random people on the map. I can't imagine trying to lead a group of people around the map. The militia on both sides just trickle in everywhere which makes it easy for our skirmish groups to shut down reinforcements by picking them off.
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Mmm Bridge Blender (On)
Let me drank that AP meatshake yum.
But seriously, they have enemy icons over non stealthed units. At the very least put the guild tag in the mouseover healthbar as a title. Yeah?
I can see where the dev team was going with this. Minimum UI, no name plates etc, but you have to give your player base some choice.
Name plates are just something that is needed in a social game imho. Just think of an inventive way to do them if you want to be diffrent.
Name plates are just something that is needed in a social game imho. Just think of an inventive way to do them if you want to be diffrent.
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Listen bro, be careful with this, I almost did a spit-take all over myself.
Shit just sneaks up on me.
Which is another reason why the removal made no sense from a PVP competitive advantage perspective.
ZOS may have had a technical reason for removing them if it improved performance with large number of players in general vicinity of one another. I know in other MMOs a general tip to improve frame rate on PVE raids was to turn off nameplates. If that is the case, then it should still be a configurable setting that the player has control over and can toggle on/off whenever they want.
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