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Utnayan

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Bullshit.

And you know it.

Quit trying to play both sides of the coin when it comes to appeasing Rescorla and looking even tempered.

You have the same contacts I do, and they all say the same thing I have been saying since this shit storm began.

And the sole reason why no one is named is because you know as well as I do how this industry works and they would be blackballed - regardless of how ethical they are trying to be, which should be seen as a good thing for the industry to try and effect change.

And that would bring us entirely into a new discussion about industry ethics. There are no dart throws. There ARE however disgruntled employees who are either no longer on the team/still on it, who wish to bring some light to a subject since they are tired of seeing a faggot like Paul Sage top down design, steal 3 years worth of resources from various teams, and feel like venting - to me. And I have no problem posting it for them.

Carry on Wayward son. SOE is up shit creek with a paddle - it is only a matter of time before the dominos fall and we finally see some shit shake up in this industry and they all lose the paddle completely.
 

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Sage never posted there actually iirc. All through proxy. I was there and when the name plate stuff was going on Jessica posted more or less exactly what I said above.
 

Utnayan

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Thank you for pointing out I have been fighting the nameplate battle for a long time. If you searched a little harder you would find anothet post from me from last week on the topic.
So are you admitting yet they lied about it being an aesthetic issue? Because if so, that would have been easy to fix. Are you going to stick to your theory about it hurting performance? They never came out and said that officially so we will need proof. Time to make up your mind my young beer-in-debt friend. If they lied to the public about it being aesthetic, they are capable of lying are they not? What else were they lying to you about? What else don't you know Rescorla that you seem to dismiss at the drop of a hat when you read an official post on a web site?

Surly 4 Packs of Abrasive are $17.99 a four pack. Can you afford the bet? Also, it's only really available in Minnesota. Do you have travel access?

There are no nameplates simply because Sage didn't want them. That's all. And when you go to defend a director like this, I want you to think long and hard that the most easiest of implementations that would make a big difference for the game/community playing the game, is held back because of this one guy for no other reason than he wants too. Then I want you to know of that reasoning, and look at the larger picture of why he was horrible for the promotion over Lambert after Zeb Cook was canned, and going forward why it ultimately sacked the entire design of the game from a mismanagement perspective and asset/resource allocation perspective.
 

Rescorla_sl

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Resco are you standing firm on the "this isn't going to be a wow UI" comment not relating to nameplates at all? Semantically Ut is incorrect, I'll give you that, however this is a discussion and there is some validity to what he said. *Even though he's saying while driving a minivan*

I think you both have great points and I don't feel like semantics are something you guys should draw a line in the sand on. It doesn't make for good reading.
I am going to stand firm on common sense.

Nameplates were removed from the closed beta client the patch before I was invited to the beta test. When I got access to the Psijic Order forums there was a major debate on the topic. One side of the debate were MMO vets who were pro-nameplate and the other side were hardcore TES fanatics were were anti-nameplate. Kedwyn was in the beta test long before I was so I trust his as well as numerous other testers comments that the nameplates looked just fine.

That leaves only two logical, rational explanations for removing them. Either they were causing a performance hit or Sage was trying to placate the hardcore TES fans who wanted a minamalist UI.
 

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That leaves only two logical, rational explanations for removing them. Either they were causing a performance hit or Sage was trying to placate the hardcore TES fans who wanted a minamalist UI.
So neitherof your logical explanations are true, because Paul Sage is anything but logical. But if either of your two explanationsweretrue, how hard would that have been be to come out and tell the public about that? I see absolutely no collateral damage as a result of those two reasons. However, the real reason, because Sage just wants it that way, partly shows him for the jackass he is. His way, or the highway. Which I doubt anyone would really care about if his name was Ken Levine and actually had a gaming IQ.
 

Rescorla_sl

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So neitherof your logical explanations are true, because Paul Sage is anything but logical. But if either of your two explanationsweretrue, how hard would that have been be to come out and tell the public about that? I see absolutely no collateral damage as a result of those two reasons. However, the real reason, because Sage just wants it that way, partly shows him for the jackass he is. His way, or the highway. Which I doubt anyone would really care about if his name was Ken Levine and actually had a gaming IQ.
I tend to outright reject irrational, hate-driven explanations no matter who the poster is.
 

Utnayan

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I tend to outright reject irrational, hate-driven explanations no matter who the poster is.
Well let's put it this way. Had Lambert been promoted over Zeb Cook when "Mr D&D" himself was fired, (Cook doesn't even play games), the entire team Sage was leading would have quit - no one wanted to work under him, Sage would have been canned as a result, and we would all most likely be playing a much higher quality game instead of bitching about one of the most ridiculous things to bitch about, Nameplates for fucks sake.

We are bitching about Nameplates.

NAMEPLATES

Nameplates!

Also, Tuco is penalized one beer for plagiarism. Two years ago I named the mantra handed down by Bethesda when they said Skyrim was under a new engine when it was a modified Gamebryo with 3 added on systems and made the comparisons with TESO and why it was running Hero at it's core. For in which Skyrim's "Creation" engine was gamebryo with a new Behavioral AI component, a slightly tweaked animation component, and a mini-quest dynamic content generation system. Bethesda has a guy with a hair up his ass about using new engine speak as a marketing thing. It's hilarious. They even paid websites to promote it. (Which was a complete waste of money - Skyrim was awesome regardless)

I like Hoppy beers with an alcohol percentage over 6%. You can paypal Tarrant and he can deliver.
 

Vitality

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So UT, Resco, Whats the plan this friday? Wanna do a youtube video together?

We should play monopoly online or something.

This has untapped potential stamped on it's head!
 

Rescorla_sl

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Only comment I have seen from Sage in regards to nameplates is that they removed them because they couldn't get them to look right (or something to that effect). He also said they were open to putting them back in to the game at a later date if whatever the problem with them was resolved.
Don't remember anyone saying it had anything to do with lag. According to this guy on their forums Sage said they turned them off because they looked crap :

Simple solution for the nameplate dilemma - Elder Scrolls Online


Guy is called Rescorla or something.
Once again thanks to Flight for digging that post of mine up. Now if you want to see how to properly cite someone, read what Sage said that I quoted and the compare it to what I said above.
 

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I am game Vitality. Friday night - game on. Rescorla you in? You like beer right? I hope so since you placed a bet with beer in it.
 

Utnayan

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Once again thanks to Flight for digging that post of mine up. Now if you want to see how to properly cite someone, read what Sage said that I quoted and the compare it to what I said above.
Which now completely conflicts with whatyoubelieve to be the truth. Which you just stated is either because it's a performance hit, or because of a minimalist UI - neither of which have anything to do with Aesthetics or "How they look", meaning, circumstantially, you can also believe Sage was lying. Correct? You yourself no longer believe that and have denounced it as being illogical and your two explanations are common sense and logical in your mind.

Rescorla and I will dominate the monopoly board and we will force you to land on the rows of doom from St. Charles Place all the way to Marvin Gardens. And everytime you do, not only will you owe us cash, you will have to take a shot. Vitality you would be passed out by 6:46 PM Central time.
 

Rescorla_sl

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So UT, Resco, Whats the plan this friday? Wanna do a youtube video together?

We should play monopoly online or something.

This has untapped potential stamped on it's head!
Sorry to disappoint but my weekends from now until summer are pretty much devoted to either baseball or volleyball. My online gaming is primarily on weeknights. PM me your Mumble info and I will drop in sometime.
 

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Sorry to disappoint but my weekends from now until summer are pretty much devoted to either baseball or volleyball. My online gaming is primarily on weeknights. PM me your Mumble info and I will drop in sometime.
Alright fair enough babe, I'll get you the mumble info when I get home from work and my different game IDs, hopefully we can catch you on HOTS or something.
 

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Also, Tuco is penalized one beer for plagiarism. Two years ago I named the mantra handed down by Bethesda when they said Skyrim was under a new engine when it was a modified Gamebryo with 3 added on systems and made the comparisons with TESO and why it was running Hero at it's core. For in which Skyrim's "Creation" engine was gamebryo with a new Behavioral AI component, a slightly tweaked animation component, and a mini-quest dynamic content generation system. Bethesda has a guy with a hair up his ass about using new engine speak as a marketing thing. It's hilarious. They even paid websites to promote it. (Which was a complete waste of money - Skyrim was awesome regardless)
I don't remember whether you were active in the skyrim thread, but the non-retarded parts of community as a whole were like, "Uhh, yeah that's Gamebryo, I can feel it in my BONES" when we started getting more info and video about the game. Of course it looked like and ended up being the greatest game of all time so it was mostly a semantic issue. They could've re-used the same engine as the 4th iteration of Duke Nukem Forever and it wouldn't have mattered because holy shit I can catch butterflies this is awesome.
 

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But back to the nameplate argument, saying, "Sage wanted to cater to part of the community" is basically the same as "Sage thought no nameplates was the right choice.". The reasons why don't ultimately matter because he has to make the choice for what's best for the game and he chose no nameplates. This choice, given how easy nameplates are to implement and how much it crippled the facilitation of a community is likely one of the worst decisions in MMO design history. For the rest of MMO gaming when people bring up, "You know nameplates hurt immersion." people will point out ESO as why it should always be in the game.