The Elder Scrolls Online

Kirun_sl said:

Just more examples of people who wax nostalgic having no fucking clue what theyactuallywant. Nor do they realize that what made EQ great was the fact that it was your first foray into MMO gaming and the people that you played with. The game itself was downright awful.

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My friend Kirun. Allow me to explain...

EverQuest had Lore they didn't have a "story" to follow.
You're free to read about the history and lore of Norrath but it's NOT your "story".

There's a big difference between story and lore, I am all with Lore and all against Story. Trust me I think of game design almost daily and if you think I contradict myself you're wasting your time. What MMORPG designers should do is present a rich lore that can be found in dungeons, books and scattered around the lore. It makes you want to know more about the world. What they should not do is telling you YOUR story (SWTOR for instance).

I want to create my own adventure seeking my own fortune, hence, creating my own story while discovering the world's lore.

Am I an example of people having no clue what I actually want? Oh I know you want me to

The reason why EverQuest was great I explained before and like I said it has a collection of game mechanics that are not offered in today's market. As simple as that, answer my question I asked previously to prove me wrong, you can't.

Draegan_sl said:

Of course she didn't read it. She's hung up on some obtuse point that you had to do a series of quests to get off the newbie island so therefore the whole game was a quest grind.

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My sweet Draegon, what I meant is I specifically said "first" zone. You cannot say "I grind quickly after the first area" when my example was only for the first one

I didn't say "the whole game was a quest grind." about Aion did I?

Laura_sl said:

answer my question I asked previously to prove me wrong, you can't.

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If you honestly think that current MMOs offer you less freedom than EQ did in its heyday, you're more delusional than I thought.

Laura_sl said:

The reason why EverQuest was great I explained before and like I saidit has a collection of game mechanics that are not offered in today's market. As simple as that, answer my question I asked previously to prove me wrong, you can't.

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What? This is complete and utter bullshit. EQ barely functioned as a game and had jack shit for mechanics.

You're Iraqi Information Minister level delusional.

Or the Reich Minister of Propaganda.

Tuco_sl said:

EQ was the number one MMO I knew of when I played it, and that's why I played it. It's outdated now but has some concepts that would really work for me in modern MMOs. It's really not a hard concept.

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I think you just had to be there. Was EQ great? Yes, but it was also soul crushing awful. It was great because there was nothing else like it, imo nothing really close, for years.

Imagine this. You are a teenager, or a young adult. A new game comes out called "sEx Quest". You put a special helmet on and go around a crazy sex world. You have sex and it feels 100% real. It's amazing and seems like nothing could ever be better. OHHHHH..... but every now and then someone bites your dick, and they bite it hard. It feels real and terrible. You take the helmet off and go "Fuck that! Never again!", but there are no other games like it. Sure, here and there a new game comes up, but everyones blurry and it doesn't feel quite real. You don't WANT to get your dick bit, bit most of the time its amazing, so you keep playing, for YEARS.

Finally a new game comes out called "World of Women" and it blows you away. Not only is there NO dick biting, but everything looks better, and there are way more people, and tons of new options like underwater sex and orgies. Hell, there's even a new masterbate yourself option thats really fun. You drop sEx Quest in a heartbeat, and sure, there are things you miss about it, the challenge, the locations, and the memories, but overall, you accept those loses for a complete lack of bitten dicks.

I remember EQ fondly for the most part, some of the most fun I've ever had gaming, but I also still remember the tears, the anger, the frustration, and the very real feeling of those teeth sinking in.

I'd wish there was an MMO with EQ's pace of play, mediocre graphics by polycount, but god-tier amount of animations my character does while attacking/defending.

So EQ's "lore" was much better than Star Wars and the starter zone of Aion having more quests than you like is a super important point to make.

I have to believe we're being trolled at this point.

Ambiturner_sl said:

So EQ's "lore" was much better than Star Wars and the starter zone of Aion having more quests than you like is a super important point to make.

I have to believe we're being trolled at this point.

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If SWTOR focused on Star Wars Canon/Lore and the game wasn't based on Class-Stories that I have to follow from level 1 I would have enjoyed it a lot more. But because every class must follow a main-story it just turns me off. In other words you still don't understand the difference between Lore and Story.

*looks at her Avatar*

*rolls on floor laughing*

Come on!

Laura_sl said:

*looks at her Avatar*

*rolls on floor laughing*

Come on!

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I wish I had came up with it.It fits!

You guys are trolling Laura. You know what she means and she's right about the difference between lore and story.

When I played EQ I didn't care about the lore and never once felt I had to follow some predetermined quest line path where I was funneled down rails like a single player game. There was no predetermined path, other than picking a zone appropriate to my level of which there was always plenty to chose from. EQ was much more free form than modern mmos. Modern mmos have choice but it is much more limited. Quest hubs funnel you from point to point.

Quest hubs and storylines are fine, but not every mmo has to have them. Personally, I liked SWTOR's storyline, it was the world itself that was boring. But it would also be good to have a modern fantasy mmo more like old school EQ around that had less structure to it. It will be interesting to see if EQNext actually follows that path. Of course there are many things about old school EQ I don't want to see again. But those negatives don't make the whole EQ experience bad.

We need more variety in the types of mmos we are offered. If you all like modern mmo's so much then why do you bitch so much about them?

Laura_sl said:

My sweet Draegon, what I meant is I specifically said "first" zone. You cannot say "I grind quickly after the first area" when my example was only for the first one

I didn't say "the whole game was a quest grind." about Aion did I?

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Then that's a retarded point. Don't be stupid in the future.

Utnayan_sl said:

Dude, bullshit. She is trollingusand getting the reactions I think she wants from it.

No one thinks this:



Jesus. On my Warrior I hit Kick, Taunt, and would blow my defense discipline once every boss while making sure I faced it into a corner. Oh and don't forget to taunt 3 times before hitting a mezzed mob. Fucking revolutionary game mechanics right there.

We should get back to talking about how God fucking awful Matt Firor's Elder Scrolls is going to be because I think there are some moles here just trying to derail that topic until those same people can come in here and bullshit the posters into thinking the game is something it's not, similar to that idiot Sean should have banned for doing the same in the DS3 thread in Other Games.

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Well those aren't the only mechanics in the game though. There are lots of good things about EQ that aren't done in modern games. And there many things like what you mentioned that most of us don't want to see again. It's not an all or nothing proposition.

You guys are being unreasonable by claiming everything about EQ is bad.

Utnayan_sl said:

Dude, bullshit. She is trollingusand getting the reactions I think she wants from it.

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Yeah, the shit she's been spewing is ridiculous. Adam's choice ofJoseph Goebbelsfor her was spot on.

Starting EQ talk in new MMO threads should be a bannable offense. It makes them fucking unreadable and turns into an absurd circle jerk between extreme masochistic freaks. This idiocy needs rerailed back on to the topic of the actual game that it's about.

I second that motion.

Utnayan_sl said:

Dude, bullshit. She is trollingusand getting the reactions I think she wants from it.

No one thinks this:



Jesus. On my Warrior I hit Kick, Taunt, and would blow my defense discipline once every boss while making sure I faced it into a corner. Oh and don't forget to taunt 3 times before hitting a mezzed mob. Fucking revolutionary game mechanics right there.

I would make a counter point but I know this Laura is a troll, and a game developer. Hey Lisa Boelyn, that you? (Actually come to think of it it very well might be as she wanted to design video games after falling in love with Star Wars Galaxies PvE Content)

We should get back to talking about how God fucking awful Matt Firor's Elder Scrolls is going to be because I think there are some moles here just trying to derail that topic until those same people can come in here and bullshit the posters into thinking the game is something it's not, similar to that idiot Sean should have banned for doing the same in the DS3 thread in Other Games.

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LOL game mechanics in EQ? Like sitting and staring at your spell book while regaining mana? Funny stuff but you pegged it UT.