Ambiturner
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It's not using the hero engine in the same way Skyrim didn't use Gamebryo. Which is to say it is using it but they ar pretending otherwise because of the bad reputation the engine has
Utnayan
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So a post written by a fanboy who calls the original leaked videos being played by a retard and then claiming there was an animation pass (There wasn't) = More Bullshit tripe. I love this one:
To the asshole who wrote that(Obviously not you Blackwulf but I want to make sure you know I am not directing this next comment at you) , we wouldn't need a reaction in WoW back then because there wasn't an NDA and we could see the countless videos, information, transparency, because Blizzard knew they weren't shitting out a turd and cashing in on an IP based on a development cycle from a bullshit artist. They lifted the NDA6 monthsprior to launch. Comparing the two is obnoxious, and reeks of typical scapegoating garbage. If they are so sure of themselves, lift the NDA since they are 6 months from launch, open up the beta, and let people see it for themselves. Why not? Because they need to protect box sales. Pure and simple. Another thing this guy fails to realize is that this is now 2013. WoW was 9 fucking years ago and what I saw in friends and family Alpha blew that video out of the water whether the guy knew how to play or not.
The video released is exactly what the game is and will be, with terrible design mechanics around RvR and mega server, in which the same New Frontiers concepts put the final nail in the coffin that ToA started in DAOC.
Until then, let's wait for more leaked videos (Not coming from doctored marketing trailers - but actual leaks like the one we saw which illustrated why this game will suck) and then let's come back to that little nugget of a quote on betacake and compare animations from the leak, to then (and then to launch). Conveniently, as it always is, no one will care by then. Because someone can say that was never an official response from ZO.
Blackwulf
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The part I highlighted was what I was referring to as giving me a bit of hope. If they are still improving animations, then maybe we'll see something a lot more polished looking than that leaked vid. That's all I was saying. Still hoping the systems (skill trees, rvr, crafting, etc.) make the game a worthy purchase, but we won't know for a while, cause Zenimax are being cocks and not showing us anything.
Utnayan
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Not that they are being cocks really, it isn't done. Shit, 75% of the game isn't finished. Let me go through some tidbits in that "Q&A" which really reads like it was a Q&A with an undercover developer. Before I quote some things, mind you this game has been in development since2007. That's over 5 years now giving them about a year to ramp up the team and organization of a new company. Which is fairly generous. Remember... 5 years.
5 Years.
5 Years.
5 Years?
Should probably have that in at least internal testing in 2013.... after 5 Years....
5 Yea.... Wait, WHAT????
This isn't a beta tester. This is a developer posting as a beta tester.
Thanks Grassroots betacake Q&A.
1) This company is unreal in the lengths they go to protect box sales. 2) 5 years.
Hey, these days I'm ready to trust any MMORPG that isn't trying to do that F2P "open beta" pay-for-everything bullshit that the industry is currently self-destructing over.
Blackwulf
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Yeah, I know. I had the same thoughts, with regard to so much, "not in yet." I'm just hoping they have that shit roughed out and they are adding it to the beta build bit by bit. Like I said, "hoping" - this game has at best a 40% chance to be good in my mind. 3 months ago I would have said 80%. A year ago when I first heard the hype at E3, I would have said 95%.
Seriously, I'm an optimistic person, but I'm not dumb. I've seen the hype trains turn in to train wrecks many times. I'm growing more and more leery about this game by the fucking DAY. Every day they post some stupid ass lore/fan art bullshit to their website and they don't show us any real info or footage from their game that is supposedly coming out in 6 months, I move them down another notch in my book.
I enjoy being hopeful, though, and the idea that they'll surprise us all with a real gem still lingers in the back of my mind. In the meantime, I'm enjoying fantasizing about what EQN and Camelot Unchained will be like.
Edit, cause I was rushed in my first response.
Seriously, I'm an optimistic person, but I'm not dumb. I've seen the hype trains turn in to train wrecks many times. I'm growing more and more leery about this game by the fucking DAY. Every day they post some stupid ass lore/fan art bullshit to their website and they don't show us any real info or footage from their game that is supposedly coming out in 6 months, I move them down another notch in my book.
I enjoy being hopeful, though, and the idea that they'll surprise us all with a real gem still lingers in the back of my mind. In the meantime, I'm enjoying fantasizing about what EQN and Camelot Unchained will be like.
Edit, cause I was rushed in my first response.
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The game might be crap on a silver stick and most of us will still buy it (raises hand - guilty as charged). Even crappy mmo's are fun for a short time right after launch, just because they are new and different. Also there are tons of other people to play with at launch, mmos are much more fun with a ton of people around, even crappy mmos. Once the shiney wears off is when the long term success is determined.
And like someone said in the WildStar thread, what else do we have to look forward to? Not much else coming down the pike in the short term, and WildStar just doesn't work for me. The new and different isn't very obvious in this mmo though. Standard mmo fantasy setting, etc.
Blackwulf
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Exactly. Literally nothing else that is near being released looks fun to me. So, yeah, unless it's pretty much unplayable, I'll prob give it a shot.
Mr Creed
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There's also the option of doing something else with your time. I'm doubting Wildstar will be something for me (jury is still out but I dont like the current WoW, therefore...). That doesnt mean I plop down $60 on this game when the only plausible explanation for doing so is getting a sniff at the "new mmo" before I drop it. This will go down just like Defiance... generally disliked during development, hype explosion in the month before release, *1 week* of fun because its new and then the thread sinks to the bottom of the ocean because everyone quit it. But in the end its your money, I'll take those $60 to steam and get more out of it then TESO for sure.
Convo
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While I know it will never happen I agree. I feel like a lot of immersion and appreciation of the environment is lost with 3rd person being as good as it is. Sure EQ had 3rd person but it was akward and sucked for playing. I loved using it to chill and look at my character with all the downtime you had but as far as fighting and going place to play first person was far superior. For whatever reason I really enjoyed the melee and casting animations in first person EQ. Things like swinging my ykeshas or casting smite I'll never forget.
These days using 1st person is a handicap and I don't see that changing the way encounters are designed etc. We'll probably be stuck in this rut for a long time to come.
These days using 1st person is a handicap and I don't see that changing the way encounters are designed etc. We'll probably be stuck in this rut for a long time to come.
Having both 1st and 3rd person perspective is a complete waste of time and money. Either a game is fundamentally designed around 1st person or it isn't. You can't accommodate both in any meaningful manner, IMO.
Mr Creed
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I think the view perspective has to fit the game. I love me some Elder Scrolls in first person, no questions asked. The games are very much about immersing yourself in the world they've build. Third person is obviously superior as far as getting information your surroundings and whats going on is, so you having both usually turns the first person view into a gimmick unless the controls in 3rd person are really bad. EQ had 3rd person but controls werent great, and it was build for first person. Contrast that with WoW which also had both but was build for 3rd person.
I'm fine with both view styles really but if a game puts "immersion into being a person in the game environment" on their list of design parameters (none currently do I think) then first person would probably achieve that goal easier.
I'm fine with both view styles really but if a game puts "immersion into being a person in the game environment" on their list of design parameters (none currently do I think) then first person would probably achieve that goal easier.
Randin
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I think you could manage to do both 1st and 3rd well in a game, it's just that you need to put some reasonable limits on the camera in 3rd person for it to work. If you go with the mmo standard of letting the player zoom the camera half-a-mile out from the character, then yeah, 1st person will be a substandard gimmick. If they keep the camera locked in relatively close to your character, then the choice becomes more a matter of personal preference, rather than one being obviously better than the other.
Neki
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Since there isn't anything interesting on the horizon then why have you not considerednot playing a MMO?
The genre is in stagnation/decline. MMOs that is being released now is of little difference or inferior to WoW that was released about a decade ago. Unless there is some kind of radical revamp, this industry will only carry on how it is with clone after clone after fantasy clone.
People who read this board most likey would have come from the old board and would have been playing MMOs since 1999. That's14 yearsago. I don't know about you but I am certainly different now that what I was 14 years ago. MMOs have came and gradually faded away in my life.
Don't play MMOs just for the sake of having to play a MMO. If there is nothing interesting then stop playing and look into doing something else. When you stop playing, you will be surprised at how much more free time you have on your hands to pursue other activities.
Yeah, you don't need to buy all MMOs anymore. Too many iterations of crap. This is why my next MMO will be HEX. Hurrhurr