The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

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The whole broke black person track kills the show for me. Not like I cared anyway, but it was a really dumb inclusion. Single black broke mother is not exactly a compelling story.

And boy...new CA looks really dumb. HJO would be an upgrade over that guy.

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He looks like he just saw a 1.99$ buffet across the street.

I see free bread, people!

It's 2am and I'm higher than usual, sue me.

edit: oh yeah the show reason I came. Wasn't bad, but wtf with the big ears sticking out of new caps helmet at the end, thats what got me the most. He same guy that donkey kicked nerdy dude into pole, bodyslammed him, then stomped his skull, yet dude barely has even a concussion, I assume?
 
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Who would have thought before the episode premiered we would be ten pages deep on Falcon’s financial situation?
 
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I didn't mind the Sam bits. It just kind solidified his character as its always been, pretty basic. He's just a simple man trying to do the right thing(which yeah, can be boring). I don't think they can make him overly complicated until Bucky gets his shit together, which then helps Sam get his shit together as things get worse for him.. otherwise it'd actually be bad writing because too much too quick/busy. There is definitely going to be some sort of plot device where they essentially need one another for a common point.

He does mentioned that he has 6? contracts lined up via the military and we saw one, which he tries to put up as leverage for the loan. As well as mentioning the whole in good faith thing, more than likely getting free shit by using his "prestige" in which the dude didn't even really recognize him. I feel its trying to serve up a few things, that just because hes a hero; he ain't getting free real estate. The blip has caused economic problems. And that the funding of heroes is now in question for the viewers, as it was never really a thought prior. I'm pretty sure they're going to tee-off something about how the US Govt doesn't trust him either. Iirc, he had his original wings stolen for him, then had them stolen for him again in Civil War. During Civil War, he was on the opposite side of the Govt. It's also only been 5mo after the blip? As far as tech, after it taking damage, hes showing repairing it.. and I believe his last tech was from Stark who is no longer. But true, why doesn't he just call up Potts for a favor, but maybe shes stuck in legal because us govt(armor wars?). I also think SHIELD was the primary government funding toward super heroes until it went to shit via Hydra, and I guess Stark takes over in the funding department.

I couldn't really imagine Stark really had a conventional hourly or even a salary. I doubt he would have paid any of the avengers other than in Stark tech, or the room/board in the Avengers compound.. I think there is a nod to that, where Tony says he pays and designs everything to make everyone look cool in Avengers. And I could be wrong, but isn't his whole shtick essentially egotistical? I just can't see it, him paying out abunch of people who he is shown hating on in different situations.

I also don't think he's broke per say, but at least in my experience.. doing the whole charter boat thing is expensive, esp with lack of clientele. I live by the coast and have known Captains and worked deckhand on some charter boats and that shit is live or die in terms of financial fluctuation. I forgot who was saying it, but it was someone within Marvel i'm pretty sure.. went on to talk about things like, how post blip, the concept of being gone for 5 years only to return to a house that is no longer yours and occupied by strangers, a few other examples I can't remember. /shrug I'm just diggin.

Either way, I think they're just trying to world build the effects of the blip. And from my understanding the series is basically going to play the whole, Sam is in the shadows of the greater heroes and having to somehow prove himself as an equal/worthy of the shield. More than likely bring out some of the race card cus muh discriminations, and the US Govt isn't going to want him rocking the Capt American mantle. I think its safe to say their recipe is pretty much most our questions will get answered some how, but doesn't mean it will be good/liked.. just more that its their point of conversation.
 
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I didn't mind the Sam bits. It just kind solidified his character as its always been, pretty basic. He's just a simple man trying to do the right thing(which yeah, can be boring). I don't think they can make him overly complicated until Bucky gets his shit together, which then helps Sam get his shit together as things get worse for him.. otherwise it'd actually be bad writing because too much too quick/busy. There is definitely going to be some sort of plot device where they essentially need one another for a common point.

He does mentioned that he has 6? contracts lined up via the military and we saw one, which he tries to put up as leverage for the loan. As well as mentioning the whole in good faith thing, more than likely getting free shit by using his "prestige" in which the dude didn't even really recognize him. I feel its trying to serve up a few things, that just because hes a hero; he ain't getting free real estate. The blip has caused economic problems. And that the funding of heroes is now in question for the viewers, as it was never really a thought prior. I'm pretty sure they're going to tee-off something about how the US Govt doesn't trust him either. Iirc, he had his original wings stolen for him, then had them stolen for him again in Civil War. During Civil War, he was on the opposite side of the Govt. It's also only been 5mo after the blip? As far as tech, after it taking damage, hes showing repairing it.. and I believe his last tech was from Stark who is no longer. But true, why doesn't he just call up Potts for a favor, but maybe shes stuck in legal because us govt(armor wars?). I also think SHIELD was the primary government funding toward super heroes until it went to shit via Hydra, and I guess Stark takes over in the funding department.

I couldn't really imagine Stark really had a conventional hourly or even a salary. I doubt he would have paid any of the avengers other than in Stark tech, or the room/board in the Avengers compound.. I think there is a nod to that, where Tony says he pays and designs everything to make everyone look cool in Avengers. And I could be wrong, but isn't his whole shtick essentially egotistical? I just can't see it, him paying out abunch of people who he is shown hating on in different situations.

I also don't think he's broke per say, but at least in my experience.. doing the whole charter boat thing is expensive, esp with lack of clientele. I live by the coast and have known Captains and worked deckhand on some charter boats and that shit is live or die in terms of financial fluctuation. I forgot who was saying it, but it was someone within Marvel i'm pretty sure.. went on to talk about things like, how post blip, the concept of being gone for 5 years only to return to a house that is no longer yours and occupied by strangers, a few other examples I can't remember. /shrug I'm just diggin.

Either way, I think they're just trying to world build cause/effect of the blip. And from my understanding the series is basically going to play the whole, Sam is in the shadows of the greater heroes and having to somehow prove himself as an equal/worthy of the shield. More than likely bring out some of the race card cus muh discriminations, and the US Govt isn't going to want him rocking the Capt American mantle. I think its safe to say their recipe is pretty much most our questions will get answered some how, but doesn't mean it will be good/liked.. just more that its their point of conversation.

I disagree. I had inferred that Stark had set them all up with an annuity they could pull from at 50.
 
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Gauze must be the type of guy writing stories for Marvel because the mental gymnastics required to try to rationalize Falcon as a poor broke black guy who has zero connects for money is Mind Stone worthy.

Maybe Falcon is so dumb Samuel Jackson pays him in Nick Fury coins which are absolutely worthless in the real world.
 
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i dont like how that financial aspect was thrown in, because its definitely not a race thing. like how do you get picked for a private organization like Avengers which also is in collaboration with the US government and not talk about some kind of salary+benefits? Stark probably spent tens of millions on each of his suits and it would be nothing to him to pass along some of that cash to his Avengers team so they dont go rogue and sell his tech for a ham sandwich. we arent talking about a lot of people here. the only unaltered humans besides Tony is Falcon , Hawkeye and Wydow. Wydow and Hawkeye seem like they are covered for cash. that just leaves one person. Tony has Sam guard the compound. no way that dude isnt being paid and no fucking way was he terminated and still being supplied with his flying rig and tech. him doing some minor wire repair on the drone doesnt count as maintaining his rig. that thing will need calibrations and specific parts and materials when it gets damaged in battle. it probably doesnt work on old Dell laptop parts.

so lets assume that Sam was still in employment with Stark when the Snap/Blip took place. he will still be employed when he comes back and have some backpay coming to him? lets say he was terminated either when he went against Tony or got snapped out of existence. ok when he comes back, who is still supplying him the flying rig tech and where are these missions coming from? and is he being paid? I'm going to assume that yes, he is still under employment by Stark and even yes he's still drawing some kind of pay from the US govt and he should be well funded to go to all these different locations and rich enough he wouldnt sell his suit for a ham sandwich.
 
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i dont like how that financial aspect was thrown in, because its definitely not a race thing. like how do you get picked for a private organization like Avengers which also is in collaboration with the US government and not talk about some kind of salary+benefits? Stark probably spent tens of millions on each of his suits and it would be nothing to him to pass along some of that cash to his Avengers team so they dont go rogue and sell his tech for a ham sandwich. we arent talking about a lot of people here. the only unaltered humans besides Tony is Falcon , Hawkeye and Wydow. Wydow and Hawkeye seem like they are covered for cash. that just leaves one person. Tony has Sam guard the compound. no way that dude isnt being paid and no fucking way was he terminated and still being supplied with his flying rig and tech. him doing some minor wire repair on the drone doesnt count as maintaining his rig. that thing will need calibrations and specific parts and materials when it gets damaged in battle. it probably doesnt work on old Dell laptop parts.

so lets assume that Sam was still in employment with Stark when the Snap/Blip took place. he will still be employed when he comes back and have some backpay coming to him? lets say he was terminated either when he went against Tony or got snapped out of existence. ok when he comes back, who is still supplying him the flying rig tech and where are these missions coming from? and is he being paid? I'm going to assume that yes, he is still under employment by Stark and even yes he's still drawing some kind of pay from the US govt and he should be well funded to go to all these different locations and rich enough he wouldnt sell his suit for a ham sandwich.
What kind of commie shit is “back pay” for 5 years he didn’t even exist
 
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It is sort of ironic in our current SJW environment that black hero is broke and cant get a loan. This is actually straight out of the Luke Cage comics. Black ex-con is dead broke and works around the neighborhood for cash righting wrongs. If you think about it, Bucky has got to be broke also. Its not like I imagine Hydra was paying him a salary with a 401k for being a frozen assassin. Or actually it is the perfect SJW setup because poor black folk being held back by the white oppressor at the bank while white ex-assassin seems to have an apt and can afford to pay for lunch.
 
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It is sort of ironic in our current SJW environment that black hero is broke and cant get a loan. This is actually straight out of the Luke Cage comics. Black ex-con is dead broke and works around the neighborhood for cash righting wrongs. If you think about it, Bucky has got to be broke also. Its not like I imagine Hydra was paying him a salary with a 401k for being a frozen assassin. Or actually it is the perfect SJW setup because poor black folk being held back by the white oppressor at the bank while white ex-assassin seems to have an apt and can afford to pay for lunch.

However, is it possible Bucky had some small investments when he was in the army and those experienced compound growth for the last 50 years?
 
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However, is it possible Bucky had some small investments when he was in the army and those experienced compound growth for the last 50 years?
maybe he saw Howard Stark at the World's Fair and invested in his stock.
 
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Bucky you could argue has some stashed shit around he can dip into, be it Hydra money or otherwise, from his time as WS.

Sam was just doing his military/SHIELD thing, then Avengers, then got snapped and came back to jack shit except contractor gigs. Which I would hope would pay really fucking well. Contractors in RL get some decent bucks. How much would a one-man air force get? For the shit he is pulling off, I would hope that paycheck has 7-8 digits minimum in it.
 
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It was mentioned previously but I want to reinforce that the production values on this TV show far exceed a lot of movies I have seen. Damn but DIS knows how to produce a quality product. They could put 2 hours of these episodes together and put it out as a movie in theaters. Strictly from a look, feel and action perspective.
 
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Wasnt Falcon always an employee of the US military?

When they introduce him in (The Winter Soldier i think it was), hes just another military dude running laps with Rogers in DC
 
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Really enjoyed the first episode. It was all setup obviously so it was a little slower paced and the Bucky stuff was way more enjoyable than the Sam stuff. The old Asian man was hilarious. Looking forward to episode 2.
 
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It is sort of ironic in our current SJW environment that black hero is broke and cant get a loan. This is actually straight out of the Luke Cage comics. Black ex-con is dead broke and works around the neighborhood for cash righting wrongs. If you think about it, Bucky has got to be broke also. Its not like I imagine Hydra was paying him a salary with a 401k for being a frozen assassin. Or actually it is the perfect SJW setup because poor black folk being held back by the white oppressor at the bank while white ex-assassin seems to have an apt and can afford to pay for lunch.

"ex-con" is the operative word here

Falcon is a United States Air Force Pararescueman with a presumably clean record
 
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I don't disagree that the financial angle is meh, and ironic because blackmans. I just hope it's a small part of a bigger problem. What does a hero do when he doesn't have that billionaire backing him, the only reason he was in the org in the first place was the dude who just gave him the shield and peace'd. It kinda rings that same sentiment on Cap when he went rogue, who/what was funding him.. his savings? I don't want next episode to be Sam doing his taxes though. Need to kick up him doing dirty jobs. Not huge on the independent black woman needin no man trope, would have rather had the down and out hooked on crack and lost everything but redemption lets try to get it back.. but that would be racist since they're black.

I think ex-con was in reference to Luke Cage. Falc is ex-military. He gets out and becomes a PTSD Veterans counselor after his friend gets blow'd up. Pretty sure his record is dirtied up after meeting with Rogers.

black man gotta steal what's his, but gets the white slave to do it for him. #appropriation
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Saw an interesting theory this morning regarding the mission follows a similar beat in Winter Solider with Batroc.. as a setup mission. I don't remember, but it was basically saying Batroc was funded by the guys(SHIELD/Hydra?) who sent Cap on the "suicide" mission. It gets tinfoil after that, but kinda makes sense being that this show is suppose to be on -par- with winter soldier in terms of theme/pace.
 
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Wasnt Falcon always an employee of the US military?

When they introduce him in (The Winter Soldier i think it was), hes just another military dude running laps with Rogers in DC
He was out of the military in Winter Soldier, working as a counselor in the V.A.
And i'm not sure that the problem was that he didn't money but that his finances were just all over the place...no stability so an investment risk.
 
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We'll have to see where it goes from here but Bucky doing amends is just so powerful emotionally it's not hard to see why they would want to give something to Sam to balance it out but they just did a piss poor job of it. Pull out the stereotype, it'll work
 
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He was out of the military in Winter Soldier, working as a counselor in the V.A.
And i'm not sure that the problem was that he didn't money but that his finances were just all over the place...no stability so an investment risk.

He probably has some type of pension from the military
 
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