The Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)
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Teaser didn't change my opinions:
Starting off with Galactus is a bad move, IMO - there's nothing to escalate to after that.
This being their own universe does allow them to have a unique flavor for set decoration, etc., but will 'The Youth' be interested in a setting that is this archaic?
Speaking of their own universe, so they're just tossing out the decades of F4 lore, beyond the, what, less than a dozen people (F4, Alicia Masters, Galactus, She-lver Surfer, Doom?) that get carried over to the MCU in presumably the solution to Galactus?
And speaking of their own universe, again, will more people be turned off by no connection to any properties than people turned on by not having to know the backstory? My gut says we're down to the diehards coming to these things in the theatre.
I know Vanessa Kirby is nearing 40, but if I wanted Big Mom energy, I'd go watch The Incredibles 2 a second time.
Haven't paid attention to the casting, who is Malkovich? Franklin Storm? Or Franklin Richards with time travel?
Starting off with Galactus is a bad move, IMO - there's nothing to escalate to after that.
This being their own universe does allow them to have a unique flavor for set decoration, etc., but will 'The Youth' be interested in a setting that is this archaic?
Speaking of their own universe, so they're just tossing out the decades of F4 lore, beyond the, what, less than a dozen people (F4, Alicia Masters, Galactus, She-lver Surfer, Doom?) that get carried over to the MCU in presumably the solution to Galactus?
And speaking of their own universe, again, will more people be turned off by no connection to any properties than people turned on by not having to know the backstory? My gut says we're down to the diehards coming to these things in the theatre.
I know Vanessa Kirby is nearing 40, but if I wanted Big Mom energy, I'd go watch The Incredibles 2 a second time.
Haven't paid attention to the casting, who is Malkovich? Franklin Storm? Or Franklin Richards with time travel?
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Yeah Disney sucks, and yeah this will probably be mid at best, but I haven't taken the woman out to the movies in a couple years now, and there isn't really anything else good this year, so we'll probably go see it.
I certainly am not going to the theater for Blacktain America or Thunderbolts.
I certainly am not going to the theater for Blacktain America or Thunderbolts.
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The end of Secret Wars is going to merge all the multiverses into one. Meaning surviving characters from all the different universes will all be together. There are also entities, like Galactus, Eternity, and Death that are unique to the multiverse. So the Galactus we see in the trailer should also transfer over.
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Galactus is often the size of planets. Think Unicron from Transformers. As Harshaw mentioned he can change his size, but you'd think someone coming to consume the planet would just stick to mega-size and be done with it.
Movie looks ok, but I won't be paying in any way to watch it. I'm so sick of fucking Pedro Pascal. Vanessa Kirby is attractive and seems to be a good actress, but not enough that I'd care if it were any other movie. Thing looks pretty fucking good though, finally! Other than The Thing, I never had much interest in FF in the comics, they were always pretty boring. Knowing this leads to RDJ Doom actually kind of makes me even less interested, which my 7 year ago self would have thought was crazy talk.
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Villains who possess no actual size are pretty lame.
Not that this matters. This movie will shit itself just like all the previous movies of the past few years.
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I don't think that happens until the multiversal merger. Which I also agree will be Secret Wars, and I bet around the Beyonder. I can see a wholly feasible plot arc.... Richards attempting to defeat Galctus/Galactina/Galacwhatthefuckever used the wormhole you saw on the blackboard to tap into a "raw" universe for power (a plot point lifted straight from Ultimate FF IIRC). This pokes a pinhole into a universe where all matter and energy is one entity, i.e. the Beyonder. (In the OG Secret wars IIRC it was Richards constructing the cosmic cube, which also created the Molecule Man, and the two of them were actually together the real cosmic cube, and that opened the pinhole for the Beyonder). This is your FF post credits scene.... Meanwhile, Doom is out Dooming somewhere and as mentioned finds some reason to try to weave magic and science together (Thats kinda his thing, Yo!) And that also pokes a hole.... This is the Doomsday post credit scene.
Beyonder is now curious and starts bouncing around between realities unknowingly weakening the barriers. The main MCU already has a wholly weak ass barrier because of everything from Dr Strange, to the TVA, to Deadpool, to Loki. This starts a bad cascade collapse.
Beyonder figures the only way to fix is to prune universes, so starts staging the "Secret War". This overloads Loki as the God of Stories and he realizes along with the Beyonder that pruning the tree is the only way to survive. Loki attempting to weave all the threads back into one tapestry pulls the "anchor beings" from several multiverses (Thanks DP3 for that Maguffin), And the end result is the new MCU amalgam universe and they say "With that the Beyonder fortified the walls around our universe to protect it." So no more multiverse nonsense, kinda putting the genie back into the bottle.
Now, as for this FF movie. I'm being cautiously optimistic. I didn't love the Thing CGI in the trailer, I hope they fine tune that some before release. Outside that it looks solid and seems to not be pissing on the core FF mythology/story (the way the Ultimate FF did).
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This will get better over the movies though. The CGI and mocap will get better as they do more work on it. Hulk improved a lot over the years.
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Yeah, but they should be far more advanced now since the Thing is essentially a reskin/retexture/recolor of the hulk. Something in that trailer just didn't look right about the motion and overall effect. At least not to my crochety old eyes... I like the more comic accurate brow, but it might be a bit overdone. Like the lips, and nose too. Something about the movement.
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I think it's more of the actor not portraying the "weight and size" of the Thing in mocap I think. As for looks I think it's "too clean" that it sticks out. I am sure they are still doing cgi work on it though. We'll see if any of it changes in later trailers.
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It looks off because Disney has a bunch of fucking "artists" that don't know how to push the technology. CGI/mocap should be one of those things that keeps advancing, plateaus then continues to advance once tech catches up. Disney however has done the opposite. Movie after movie the CGI just gets worse and worse. Unfortunately, it's not just a Disney thing it's an industry thing. Amazon CGI and mocap sucks, Netflix, Hollywood in general, it's gone backwards not forward.
Even blue and green screen has gotten worse. For example... When the first Avengers movie was released on DVD and Blu-ray. Those who still had 720 and 1080 TV's didn't notice that computer monitors and TV screens in the movie were blue screen...but if you had a 4K tv back then (which weren't industry standard yet) you could definitely tell and it was bad. Didn't take them long to figure that one out. The CGI/mocap for games and movies kept getting better. Marvel movie after Marvel movie, The Last of Us all using the technology and advancing it. Then... Something happened. Thanos fucking snapped his fingers and everything went to shit.
And since then they may have unsnapped the snap but the digital artists remained gone. Now we have subpar, noticeablely bad CGI. All. The. Fucking. Time. Movies with $400 million budgets and they can't even get fucking computer monitors right...again.
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This is because studios won't spend cash on CGI. This drove out all the good CGI companies, and all that's left are the worst. The last Indiana Jones movie had the most laughably bad CGI I have ever seen. It looks like it was done by talentless high schoolers.
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Ultimate Marvel re-did Galactus in a much more reasonable way. Instead of a super giant that literally eats a planet for reasons, instead it's a swarm of insects that devours all life on a planet, as well as whatever could help life with the Galactus swarm. It was a good re-imagining.
