Dabamf_sl said:
It's kind of weird to me you guys haven't dropped the L bomb yet in 7 months. Maybe that's not unusual, but it seems so to me. This is more a personal curiosity, but do you sense that she is actively stopping you guys from progressing into deeper commitment, or have things just gone naturally to this point? If it were me, I'd be reluctant to commit too much to a relationship until that future is more certain. Not saying that's the case here, just curious.
Yeah I would have expected it to come out by now as well. Everything leads me to believe though that she feels that way but for whatever reason doesn't want to come out and say it, not sure why. Maybe she's worried about scaring me off or something? From my perspective at the outset I decided I'd not be the one to say it first, and I'm sticking to my guns!
I don't think she's actively stopping the relationship from going further, that I can tell. It's just been very, very natural to this point with hardly any "deep" conversations about what we're doing or where things are going. She's never really talked about what she wants long term (marriage? kids?) to any great extent, other than indicating she finds the idea of having kids at this point in her life ridiculous. And she's never asked me about what I'm after (which would be "undetermined").
Ronaan_sl said:
Eomer,
I think it's time you find out if your future timelines align. Find out what she wants from life (and while you're at it, find out what you want from life, too). Kids, pets, house with a white fence around the garden, travel destinations, hiking holidays, all that.
Seven months sounds serious enough, might as well see if she's the one.
Yeah, I think a lot of that is going to come out in a couple months when we hike the West Coast Trail. 5-7 days in the wilderness with just the two of us, I would imagine some of those conversations will be had if they haven't happened before then. I'm not going to force the issue before then, I don't think.
Wrathcaster_sl said:
I was in this situation before I was crippled by student loans of my own and I had a decent amount of funds to put into my relationship. I did what you did, paid for nice dinner, bought drinks etc, bought her small gifts from time to time or would just get her a shirt or skirt or whatever as long as it wasn't ridiculously expensive. Main way I got mine to quit fighting me on the dinner issue is going somewhere semi-expensive, ordering something semi-expensive for myself and ordering a semi-expensive appetizer, as well as getting a drink. When they tried to get me to let them pay all the time, I'd just tell them that it was my insistence on going to this place and ordering a bunch of great food, so they shouldn't have to pay for my giant steak and beers and whatever they got. Did that a few times over a period of weeks, maybe once or twice on weekends, and eventually it just becomes common practice.
Yeah, that's kind of what's happening now with food/entertainment. I'll pick up the big bills at restaurants and bars, she'll grab smaller ones at coffee shops or when buying groceries to make dinner.
Srathor_sl said:
Eomer, If she is staying at your place a majority of nights you can use that as a rough gauge of where you stand. 1 night a week, pay for some dates. 2 nights a week pay for more than she does date wise. 3 nights a week, yall are getting there. 4 nights a week time to think about how you really feel. Practically living with you, and only goes home for fights/2 week laundry runs. Then money will start getting co-mingled. Sounds like you got a good one though, good luck!
She's staying at my place 2-4 nights a week at this point, I stay at hers maybe once a week. She lives 10 blocks away so she hasn't really started accumulating much stuff at my place, since she's 3 minutes from home anyways and generally doesn't have to start her day (shower, change etc) first thing in the morning. I'm also mildly OCD and while I don't mind if she leaves stuff around, I notice shit as subtle as her trading a non-ripe banana she brought over for a ripe one on my counter and commented on it, so she probably is a bit nervous about making me feel like she's intruding on my perfectly arranged life.
Celestein_sl said:
That might be an issue you face in the future, I don't really resent this place, it's nice enough, but due to the age/income gap I feel like I took a major step back in my quality of life, to accommodate her income and desire to contribute to our finances. On the otherhand if I had gone with some swanky place and paid the difference, I know she would have resented me and been very uncomfortable.
Yeah, I own my condo with zero mortgage and have no intention of moving short of having kids and deciding it was time for a house. So if we were to decide to move in together at some point, there'd be no rent for her to pay. What I'd probably suggest to her if the situation arises is that I'm cool with paying condo fees/property taxes (about a grand a month) and she doesn't need to pay me rent, so long as she takes care of the cost of groceries. I'd be bearing a majority of the cost of living, but she'd be doing her part.
Celestein_sl said:
But in the long-term these things can be problems, when you have a huge income gap like that, one partner either has to accept the other as a care-taker, or one has to lower their quality of life to accommodate the other. Either way someone has to sacrifice. This is a major reason why people in non-sugardaddy/gender defined role relationships tend to marry people with similar incomes, and why people with very large gaps in income face a lot of relationship trouble.
Yeah, other than spending on recreational activities and travel (which she also enjoys) I don't really have expensive tastes, so it wouldn't be too difficult to make things work financially I don't think.
Celestein_sl said:
And when she's told me several times she's not really sure she even likes psychology anymore, yes, I encourage her to do something that has more utility and more potential for career cross-pollination. What a terrible person I am.
Yeah, I don't really pretend to know too much about her field or what she wants to do with it. I think she'd probably be better off getting a masters in something else, but that's a decision she has to make for herself. She was looking at some sort of health policy research program last time we talked about it, so it does seem she's getting a bit away from the psychology stuff, but she was also doing a little dance that a position in autism research just came available that she had been wanting to apply for, so I dunno. The only concern for me is that her schooling and career after schooling would be out of town.