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Chris said:
The problem is that no model is ever going to be perfect, so do we just discard that technique and stop making predictions based on the data we do have?

But wait JP is in favour of IQ and personality testing which are... models.

I love the guy but this isn't an area for him to get involved with and he was wise pre illness to avoid it.

My personal belief is that we shouldn't be polluting since we can't predict what the polutants will do. So thats stopping CFCs, chemical pollution, greenhouse gasses and plastics anyway, regardless of the predicted magnitude of the threat.
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I think he's mostly been parroting what he's been told by Bjorn Lomberg, Micheal Shellenberger, and and some others that have come on his podcast which is definitely a risky thing to do.

That said I think it's right to be skeptical when people start trying to computer model infinitely complex systems, and I do think that in a lot of cases an inaccurate model is worse than no model at all. Whether or not this is true of current climate models though, is above my pay grade.
 
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Chris said:
The problem is that no model is ever going to be perfect, so do we just discard that technique and stop making predictions based on the data we do have?
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We stop disassembling all of society over psudoscience and rhetoric. We try the principles on a small scale and see if it works. (Spoilers: most wouldn't)
 
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BrutulTM said:
I think he's mostly been parroting what he's been told by Bjorn Lomberg, Micheal Shellenberger, and and some others that have come on his podcast which is definitely a risky thing to do.
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As opposed to parroting what someone else tells him? Why are those two "dangerous"?
 
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I just mean it's risky to repeat other people's views as your own for someone like Peterson. Nothing against those two, I thought they were both very interesting on the podcast.
 
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Chris said:
The problem is that no model is ever going to be perfect, so do we just discard that technique and stop making predictions based on the data we do have?

But wait JP is in favour of IQ and personality testing which are... models.

I love the guy but this isn't an area for him to get involved with and he was wise pre illness to avoid it.

My personal belief is that we shouldn't be polluting since we can't predict what the polutants will do. So thats stopping CFCs, chemical pollution, greenhouse gasses and plastics anyway, regardless of the predicted magnitude of the threat.
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No one is trying to re-organize all of Civilization upon Socialist/Communist lines based upon modeling of IQ and personality. The same isn't true for Climate. 10 years until the tipping point! for 40 fucking years.
 
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No one is trying to re-organize all of Civilization upon Socialist/Communist lines based upon modeling of IQ and personality. The same isn't true for Climate. 10 years until the tipping point! for 40 fucking years.
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The nazis kind of tried that lol.
 
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Chris said:
The nazis kind of tried that lol.
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Did they really? Did they give people IQ and personality tests and then load up the train cars? I think there is a missing factor here. I wonder what that is.
 
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#1765 Chef- Philip Frankland Lee

Holy shit, Joe’s retardation and ignorance are on full display this episode. He is constantly stopping the guest and making him explain the most mundane shit. It’s so bad, it almost feels purposeful. Maybe he got notes that most of his audience are 60 IQ’ers and he has to help them follow along?
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Philip has always come off as a pretentious douche, but this interview he seems like he's matured a lot. Hopefully getting him out of California will finish eliminating that, because dude definitely has the work ethic, I think it's the only thing that's really saved him. I don't think he fully understands some of the avant garde shit he does, he has always been bad at trying to explain what he's doing even back in his Top Chef days. Just needs to keep doing what works and iterating on it, and not worry so much about being the hipster master chef gastro faggot personality. This interview made it sound like getting force fed California's lock down bullshit really did him some good.
 
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LoL, Joe Rogan... hippy musician has-been slayer. I suppose Simon & Garfunkel are next.
 
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Chris said:
The problem is that no model is ever going to be perfect, so do we just discard that technique and stop making predictions based on the data we do have?

But wait JP is in favour of IQ and personality testing which are... models.

I love the guy but this isn't an area for him to get involved with and he was wise pre illness to avoid it.

My personal belief is that we shouldn't be polluting since we can't predict what the polutants will do. So thats stopping CFCs, chemical pollution, greenhouse gasses and plastics anyway, regardless of the predicted magnitude of the threat.
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All models are wrong. Some models are useful.

The problem with climate change models is that their output is more uncertainty than not. Climate change models are built so that their inputs are PREDISPOSED to output climate change scenarios but the predictive MAGNITUDE of real climate change remains very uncertain.

That’s why climate scientists use and ensemble of many different models and essentially “average” them to make a “prediction.” Can you imagine how uncertain your models have to be to NEED TO run many different other models and just “average“ them out?
 
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I can't belive that I can't listen to these old people I have barely heard of. The horror.
 
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That'll show Rogan, the guy who spreads Anti-Vax Disinformation by having vaccine experts on to talk about holding governments accountable and present varied perspectives. I hope they fry the bastard!

I imagine Rogan sleeps pretty well knowing he's on the right side of history in terms of reading between the lines.
 
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I really think the people who think Rogan is so terrible have never listened to a single one of his podcasts, or if they did their mind was already made up and they did it with their outrage checklist out just to see how many things they could check. Same with Jordan Peterson. I saw someone on instagram saying that Peterson makes his living "spewing hate" and I just have to think they haven't listened to him at all. You can like him or not, but saying what he does is "spewing hate" just doesn't even remotely make sense.
 
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