The Last of Us
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Alasliasolonik
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CaughtCross
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Sodapoppin just beat it on stream. He ripped it apart, hated the "fridge bitch" portions of the game and gave it a 6/10. This has got to have critics worried about their reputations after this when the general consues on the game is so off compared to the scores they gave.
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Hateyou
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This has been going on since at least the 90s. They’re not going to give a shit. It’s a garbage industry propped up and maintained by the studios as cheap marketing they don’t have to manage themselves.
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Cybsled
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Sodapoppin's take is fair. Remove all the "lol fuck SJWs!!!" from the equation and you still have a flawed story and a lot of things that turn the audience against you:
1) Uncharismatic person kills a beloved character - Our introduction to Abby, while initially neutral, is quickly tempered when we find out she is there to find Joel. We get some quick bits of sarcastic/lighthearted banter before we understand she is a villain, which doesn't really endear her to the audience. Joel saves her, Tommy/Joel uncharistically let their guard down, then she brutally tortures and murders him in front of Ellie. Immediately at that point, the audience hates Abby, which poisons any attempts to redeem her. You -can- do it in a story. I mean fuck, people eventually "forgave" Negan for killing Glenn, but Negan was likable (as a character, because of his personality) and the comic/show tried to give you opportunties to appreciate the character, although you did permanently lose audience at that point. The game gives you very few moments to actually like Abby.
2) The game's over arching story feels shallow compared to the original - One thing I always say about Chrono Cross, is that it was an decent game, but it was a shit sequel to Chrono Trigger. Ideally a sequel will surpass, or at least somewhat match the original. The original game's main story was tied to a character arc. The trials and tribulations Joel (and even Ellie) go through shows growth and has a satisfying conclusion. In the sequel, it doesn't feel like that. The "twist" at the end feels unearned, out of place, and feels like it was forced to push the whole "revenge is bad guys!" message which has been done countless times and much better. One review I saw said that the lack of player agency makes this worse: The game forces you to do all this shit, then tried to say "you're bad for doing this!", even though it gave you no choice. They likened it to "Catholic Guilt: The Game".
3) The ending doesn't appropriately cap off the message they are trying to tell - The whole theme is "revenge is bad". Abby gets her revenge and escapes with her lover at the end, although she loses her group which she didnt seem to give a huge shit about to begin with. Ellie doesn't get revenge, but loses her ability to use the gift Joel gave her (guitar), killed dozens upon dozens of people for nothing (the game even goes out of its way to try to let you know the people you're killing are actual people - they cry out the name of the person you kill, then gurgle in their own blood as you murder everyone), loses Dina, and basically has nothing at the end. Ellie "turns the other cheek" and gets a cosmic fucking uppercut to show for it. GoT Season 8 ending is right.
Visually the game is amazing. The post apocalyptic settings are like "Life after People" on steroids (although gasoline that works after who knows how many years is an eye roll...the game goes through so much effort to do realism, then you have magic generators that work after untold years of neglect). They did try to add elements to the game play over the first one (ability to dodge, more combos, additional ways to interact with the environment to a degree, better crafting). And parts of the story are fine - using Joel's death to drive a story is a valid choice, but if you're going to off a beloved character, you need to make better use of that then this game did and respect what you did in the original game.
1) Uncharismatic person kills a beloved character - Our introduction to Abby, while initially neutral, is quickly tempered when we find out she is there to find Joel. We get some quick bits of sarcastic/lighthearted banter before we understand she is a villain, which doesn't really endear her to the audience. Joel saves her, Tommy/Joel uncharistically let their guard down, then she brutally tortures and murders him in front of Ellie. Immediately at that point, the audience hates Abby, which poisons any attempts to redeem her. You -can- do it in a story. I mean fuck, people eventually "forgave" Negan for killing Glenn, but Negan was likable (as a character, because of his personality) and the comic/show tried to give you opportunties to appreciate the character, although you did permanently lose audience at that point. The game gives you very few moments to actually like Abby.
2) The game's over arching story feels shallow compared to the original - One thing I always say about Chrono Cross, is that it was an decent game, but it was a shit sequel to Chrono Trigger. Ideally a sequel will surpass, or at least somewhat match the original. The original game's main story was tied to a character arc. The trials and tribulations Joel (and even Ellie) go through shows growth and has a satisfying conclusion. In the sequel, it doesn't feel like that. The "twist" at the end feels unearned, out of place, and feels like it was forced to push the whole "revenge is bad guys!" message which has been done countless times and much better. One review I saw said that the lack of player agency makes this worse: The game forces you to do all this shit, then tried to say "you're bad for doing this!", even though it gave you no choice. They likened it to "Catholic Guilt: The Game".
3) The ending doesn't appropriately cap off the message they are trying to tell - The whole theme is "revenge is bad". Abby gets her revenge and escapes with her lover at the end, although she loses her group which she didnt seem to give a huge shit about to begin with. Ellie doesn't get revenge, but loses her ability to use the gift Joel gave her (guitar), killed dozens upon dozens of people for nothing (the game even goes out of its way to try to let you know the people you're killing are actual people - they cry out the name of the person you kill, then gurgle in their own blood as you murder everyone), loses Dina, and basically has nothing at the end. Ellie "turns the other cheek" and gets a cosmic fucking uppercut to show for it. GoT Season 8 ending is right.
Visually the game is amazing. The post apocalyptic settings are like "Life after People" on steroids (although gasoline that works after who knows how many years is an eye roll...the game goes through so much effort to do realism, then you have magic generators that work after untold years of neglect). They did try to add elements to the game play over the first one (ability to dodge, more combos, additional ways to interact with the environment to a degree, better crafting). And parts of the story are fine - using Joel's death to drive a story is a valid choice, but if you're going to off a beloved character, you need to make better use of that then this game did and respect what you did in the original game.
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Lithose
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Record just audio. Want to hear the reaction when she gets to "the scene" lol.
I'm literally only in this thread to now see the non-spoilered people's reactions.
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Lanx
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i think it was 30mins of pretty boring cinematics then walking around as ellie for 30mins
then all of a sudden i'm teleported to tranny quest, i'm beating up zombies with my fists cuz i guess i have too much testosterone...
i hear my wife snoring (we're playing/watching together) and so far it's been a pretty bland/boring 90minutes, not gonna read replies to avoid spoilers.
then all of a sudden i'm teleported to tranny quest, i'm beating up zombies with my fists cuz i guess i have too much testosterone...
i hear my wife snoring (we're playing/watching together) and so far it's been a pretty bland/boring 90minutes, not gonna read replies to avoid spoilers.
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Arbitrary
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Kovaks
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Naw, people don't really hate it, it is just bots and 4chan... the critics where right and real people love it
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Noodleface
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Gavinmad
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j00t
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i hate to compliment sjw's and co, but the smartest thing they did was appropriate the word "trolls." whenever someone genuinely criticizes their work, they immediately call them a troll and ignore them. good, decent (and naive) people hear the word troll and wonder why "trolls" can't just get along.
people are looking at the difference between the metacritic score and the audience review score and blame the disparity on trolls review bombing because they just can't accept new things. so regardless of how LEGITIMATE these criticisms are (the ending that isn't even narratively consistent, being forced to play as a character that you have nothing but anger towards, etc) your argument just gets thrown out at the gate because misogyny
people are looking at the difference between the metacritic score and the audience review score and blame the disparity on trolls review bombing because they just can't accept new things. so regardless of how LEGITIMATE these criticisms are (the ending that isn't even narratively consistent, being forced to play as a character that you have nothing but anger towards, etc) your argument just gets thrown out at the gate because misogyny
TBT-TheBigToe
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Faux
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I played to just past the main gate in Seattle tonight. Just a typical night of
smoking my first joint while awkwardly flirting with my bisexual love interest in an abandoned library basement.
a few cringey scenes so far but nothing too crazy. I did already know about Joel’s fate.
The environments are done really well and Joel’s blown out knee was pretty dope as well. I’m also digging the sound quality. The infected sound better to me than the original game.
Abby is a thoroughly unlikable character. Already can’t stand playing as her. We’ll see what they try to do to make me like her. I’m most interested in cut scenes now to fill in the last 5 years of Joel and Ellie’s life in Jackson. He must have confessed the truth to her to make things so awkward between them.
And of course, gotta find out what happens to Tommy.
a few cringey scenes so far but nothing too crazy. I did already know about Joel’s fate.
The environments are done really well and Joel’s blown out knee was pretty dope as well. I’m also digging the sound quality. The infected sound better to me than the original game.
Abby is a thoroughly unlikable character. Already can’t stand playing as her. We’ll see what they try to do to make me like her. I’m most interested in cut scenes now to fill in the last 5 years of Joel and Ellie’s life in Jackson. He must have confessed the truth to her to make things so awkward between them.
And of course, gotta find out what happens to Tommy.
j00t
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i ABSOLUTELY think that KIND of thing is incredibly important. i think so much of what is going wrong today is due to people being polarized against others that they don't understand.
but that is a transition that needs to be handled with EXTREME care. there's a scene in (i think) the 1st season of orange is the new black. the show itself was... a mess... but it had some interesting moments. the m2f tranny has a good chunk of an episode exploring his/her background, going through the gender transition. it was actually handled really well i think. this guy is married, has a son, then decides that he's actually a girl and comes out to his wife and son. they have NO idea how to respond to the whole thing but they aren't mean or hateful about it. they are just shocked. the tranny doesn't really handle any of it the right way, being extremely self-absorbed about the whole thing and ends up pushing both of them away. the son basically says screw it and walks out and the wife tries her DARNDEST to be supportive, despite knowing that she herself isn't gay and doesn't want to be in a relationship with a woman.
i think it's a well done couple of scenes because it doesn't make anyone the bad guy and shows that everyone involved made mistakes in how they handled it.
it didn't make me agree with the lifestyle choice, but it definitely helped me understand a lot more of what's going on and why those mental health issues can just compound on each other.
if TLOU2 showed us what abby was going through, through her eyes... i mean we all know joel wasn't a good guy. he wasn't really a BAD guy but he had no problem killing anyone and everyone that stood in his way.
if you go back and play the first one, the cannibals have a similar viewpoint as abby. there's a scene where they're talking about how a group of them were just out scavenging for supplies for the town but some dude just murdered them all without even saying hi. we know that's not exactly how that went down, AND they're cannibals so screw them...
but what SHOULD have happened, is everything happens just the way it does up until abby meets joel. then right as abby raises her/his golfclub, it goes to a flashback and then you play as abby watching joel murdering all these innocent people, including her parents or whatever. you see her as a scared little child and then you play as her growing up, trying to recover from all that. maybe by the time you walk through her shoes you would feel differently about killing joel...
but the way they did it... it sets abby up from the beginning as a completely unlikeable character.
the ONLY way this makes sense is if they are actively trying to make you FEEL what body dysmorphia is like.
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kegkilla
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The dumbest thing about these games, and this covers a lot of ground, is that they suggest that in a post-apocoylptic world, women would retain relatively the same equality and freedoms they have in society now. In reality, they would be kidnapped, raped, and bartered as sex slaves. Absolute best case scenario for a woman would be being under lock and key doing housework and raising children while the men hunted and provided security. You know, exactly like nature intended.
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